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Good article.

Some TGL-H45 products get announced on May 11.

Later this year the ADL-S chips will launch with 24 threads, pcie5 and ddr5. Going to have to find out what Intel has planned for its pcie5.
 
Why_Me said:
What happens in the future is just that .. the future. Presently the 11400F/11400 is the budget king.
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The 5600G is already out in HP PCs, wonder if Tom's can get one and get the processor out and run a real comparison. Prices in the US are already at 240+ for the i5 11400F, still about a hundred bucks away from budget gaming.
 
InvalidError said:
PCPartsPicker shows the 11400 non-F in stock practically everywhere in the USA for under $190.
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I can confirm; I've been looking at price fluctuations in the USA and UK and this is correct.

The 3600(X/XT) siblings are still a tad below USD$280 (or around) and the 11400(F) siblings are a tad below USD$180, so that's a big difference.

Cheers!
 
Congratulations to Until, one of there current gen chips is beating a last gen AMD chip.

Just a reminder, Tom's Hardware likes to state in their Best CPU articles that you should only consider overclocking a top of the line CPU, otherwise just step up to the next level of performance that you want/need. So instead of overclocking an i3 or Ryzen 3 get an i5/Ryzen 5 or go with the i7/Ryzen 7. With that being the case then why do you need an AiO/liquid cooler (sorry, I forgot, Until is pumping more power into their chips to make up for using 14mn dies instead of switching to 7mn chips)?

Budget gaming rig? Does this mean you are going to be gaming at 720P at best most of the time? Or are you going to be playing games from 10 years ago, that use only DirectX 9 at best (even DirectX 12 does not take full advantage of all of the cores/threads available)? With a budget build you are making compromises in most (if not all) places. If you do get a GPU you are looking at a GTX/RTX #040/#050, or the AMD equivalent, not a RTX 3090.

This is a step above the true entry level, bare bones, true budget build, so I am permitting you to spurge some.

The main way Intel wins this one is that they are still able to produce 14mn chips while AMD's (and the rest of the world's) chip supplies is limited.
 
Awev said:
Congratulations to Until, one of there current gen chips is beating a last gen AMD chip.

Just a reminder, Tom's Hardware likes to state in their Best CPU articles that you should only consider overclocking a top of the line CPU, otherwise just step up to the next level of performance that you want/need. So instead of overclocking an i3 or Ryzen 3 get an i5/Ryzen 5 or go with the i7/Ryzen 7. With that being the case then why do you need an AiO/liquid cooler (sorry, I forgot, Until is pumping more power into their chips to make up for using 14mn dies instead of switching to 7mn chips)?

Budget gaming rig? Does this mean you are going to be gaming at 720P at best most of the time? Or are you going to be playing games from 10 years ago, that use only DirectX 9 at best (even DirectX 12 does not take full advantage of all of the cores/threads available)? With a budget build you are making compromises in most (if not all) places. If you do get a GPU you are looking at a GTX/RTX #040/#050, or the AMD equivalent, not a RTX 3090.

This is a step above the true entry level, bare bones, true budget build, so I am permitting you to spurge some.

The main way Intel wins this one is that they are still able to produce 14mn chips while AMD's (and the rest of the world's) chip supplies is limited.
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The 11400/11400F are locked cpu's so not sure why your bringing up OC in this convo. There's plenty of reviews on the net of those cpu's running on the stock cooler along with reviews of them running with the power limits turned off using sub $40 air coolers. Amazingly both of these cpu's come in under $200 while beating the Ryzen 3600 like a rented mule.
 
Why_Me said:
The 11400/11400F are locked cpu's so not sure why your bringing up OC in this convo. There's plenty of reviews on the net of those cpu's running on the stock cooler along with reviews of them running with the power limits turned off using sub $40 air coolers. Amazingly both of these cpu's come in under $200 while beating the Ryzen 3600 like a rented mule.
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You can OC the 3600 with the stock cooler and in all motherboards, except the x10 series, but no one really buys those?

I'm not sure how much extra performance you can get out of the 3600, but I suspect is enough to make it equal to the 11400 in some cases. Or at the very least close the gap a lot.

Cheers!
 
Yuka said:
I'm not sure how much extra performance you can get out of the 3600, but I suspect is enough to make it equal to the 11400 in some cases. Or at the very least close the gap a lot.
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Manually overclocking AMD's Zen 2/3 CPUs typically gives you only 100-200MHz (less than 5%) more than PBO. The 3600X+PBO standing in for the overclocked 3600 has a 280mm AiO and 3600MT/s RAM yet still gets beaten by the all-stock 11400 in most games and even some productivity benchmarks by over 10%.

There isn't much room left for a hypothetical overclocked 3600 to close the gaps any further.
 
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InvalidError said:
Manually overclocking AMD's Zen 2/3 CPUs typically gives you only 100-200MHz (less than 5%) more than PBO. The 3600X+PBO standing in for the overclocked 3600 has a 280mm AiO and 3600MT/s RAM yet still gets beaten by the all-stock 11400 in most games and even some productivity benchmarks by over 10%.

There isn't much room left for a hypothetical overclocked 3600 to close the gaps any further.
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Well, I guess there's not much left to squeeze from Zen2 at this point then, haha.

Cheers!
 
larkspur said:
He tested with the power limits enforced and the stock cooler. It's in the gaming charts. It still performs great. He also tested with the stock cooler and no power limits in the multithread bench suite toward the top of the article. He even explains that although you can get more performance by eliminating the power limits with the stock cooler, the chip is excessively throttling in heavily multi-threaded tasks (typical games aren't heavily multithreaded). Pretty straightforward. If you run with no power limits and run heavily multi-threaded apps then you should definitely get a better cooler.

Sure it'd be great to get a Ryzen 5600x but the price puts it in "mainstream" territory while the 11400 is basically "entry-level". I don't see a better option at this price.
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Actually after running a 10100f on a cheap H570 board i think at $99 it qualifies as a much better choice as an "entry level" gaming cpu. With a 1660 on it I'm running most games at 1440 on high and 1080 ultra smooth as glass.
 
Why_Me said:
What happens in the future is just that .. the future. Presently the 11400F/11400 is the budget king.
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At $200 to $250 (the cheapest I can find it or the F series for) it is definitely NOT the budget king, maybe the mainstream king ? I can buy a 10100f AND a good mobo for that kind of money and have a great entry level 1080p ultra/1440 high setup.
 
"I" really feel that what Toms is considering "budget" gaming now days is a tad over my wallets capabilities. A 200 to 250 dollar cpu is not budget or entry level to me. It isn't difficult at all right now to build a good 1080p ultra or 1440 high settings machine with a 100 buck cpu that is actually easily available. I wish Toms would run an article on the actual entry level intel chips that are available everywhere right now. Although finding a graphics card to build with is almost impossible :)
 
johnwkuntz said:
"I" really feel that what Toms is considering "budget" gaming now days is a tad over my wallets capabilities. A 200 to 250 dollar cpu is not budget or entry level to me. It isn't difficult at all right now to build a good 1080p ultra or 1440 high settings machine with a 100 buck cpu that is actually easily available. I wish Toms would run an article on the actual entry level intel chips that are available everywhere right now. Although finding a graphics card to build with is almost impossible :)
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Most new games take advantage of six cores. Luckily Intel has two six core cpu's that come in under $200 that can handle those games.
 
johnwkuntz said:
A 200 to 250 dollar cpu is not budget or entry level to me.
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$200ish has been considered fairly budget-friendly in the PC gaming space for 20+ years, ever since decently powerful CPUs for under $200 became a thing. Believe it or not, there used to be a time where the cheapest CPUs you could buy new were over $300 and "budget PC gaming" wasn't really a thing, you just happened to do PC gaming on whatever you already had for other more important reasons. Most current and future major games are tuned around the ~$200 CPU price point, the contemporary i5 and equivalents of the time.

If $200 is too high for your budget, then you are looking for LOW-budget/entry-level gaming: something that may be able to get you by at least for now, won't necessarily have much staying power for the future.

When I put together my current computer, I had the choice of an i3-3xxx for $130 which would have been good enough for what I was doing back then or an i5-3470 for $170, so I picked the i5 suspecting I'd get the upgrade itch within 2-3 years otherwise. Paying $30 extra 8 years ago has saved me at least $500 so far.
 
InvalidError said:
$200ish has been considered fairly budget-friendly in the PC gaming space for 20+ years, ever since decently powerful CPUs for under $200 became a thing. Believe it or not, there used to be a time where the cheapest CPUs you could buy new were over $300 and "budget PC gaming" wasn't really a thing, you just happened to do PC gaming on whatever you already had for other more important reasons. Most current and future major games are tuned around the ~$200 CPU price point, the contemporary i5 and equivalents of the time.

If $200 is too high for your budget, then you are looking for LOW-budget/entry-level gaming: something that may be able to get you by at least for now, won't necessarily have much staying power for the future.

When I put together my current computer, I had the choice of an i3-3xxx for $130 which would have been good enough for what I was doing back then or an i5-3470 for $170, so I picked the i5 suspecting I'd get the upgrade itch within 2-3 years otherwise. Paying $30 extra 8 years ago has saved me at least $500 so far.
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I started building these things after I wore out the Tandy 1000SX I bought new from radio shack in 87 so i could play Thexder. In the interim i have probably designed and built at least 30 systems for my kids, grandkids, friends, and co-workers.I think I'm probably fairly conversant on what is and isn't "budget" gaming cpu's over the years. My most extravagant system was a new q-6600 that I hand lapped and water cooled with a heater core from a 69 bonneville that runs 3600 on a 24/7 OC that is still ticking fine. i paid $210 for that at microcenter btw. Only a small handful of games that came out in the last year require any thing more than a non hyper threaded quad core turning mid 3s to get decent frame rates (over 60 fps) at 1440 on high settings. i would call that a reasonable expectation for "budget" gaming. But, you obviously disagree. My main gamer is an r5-3600 mildly overclocked with a 5700xt. I paid $180 new for the cpu and consider the system to be fairly high end mainstream. Your mileage may vary.😛
 
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