Review Intel Core i5-14400 review: Intel's value gaming chip falls behind AMD

[rluker5]

APO got updated to include all hybrid CPUs from 12th gen up, you do need a bios update that will unlock all the CPUs and the newest version of dynamic tuning tech installed.

I also finally got APO working with my 13900kf as well just a couple days ago. I already had the latest bios and drivers, but what got it to work for me was Asus Armory Crate- which is all fixed now with no ram latency penalty. Maybe Asus lets Armory Crate get the good DTT+APO driver for my motherboard? I don't see a new one on their site and I already tried them both previously. Maybe APO got updated so it wouldn't give us the server unavailable error message? Whatever happened it is working for me now as well.

 

[SunMaster]

What a tremendous success the 5800x3d is. I wonder how many AMD has sold.

 

[Pierce2623]

Using PBO for your overclocked 7600x configuration is kind of ridiculous when virtually any sample is easily capable of locking in at 5.6 all core.

 

[TheHerald]

For new builds, the only platform that anyone should be looking at is AM5. Both AM4 and LGA1700 are dead-ends and are just bad values no matter how you look at it unless you're upgrading from a previous CPU. Even then, the performance "uplift" (if you want to call it that) of the Intel CPUs is nothing worth writing home about.

That's not really true. The 14700f costs 400 euros. The only amd cpu that can compete with it in both gaming and MT performance costs 249 euros more. With that money discrepancy you might as well buy a new motherboard if and when you decide to upgrade.

Mobo upgradability is nice but you are already paying for it since amds cpus are usually kinda pricy (5800x 3d launched at 450, lol).

 

[Avro Arrow]

That's not really true. The 14700f costs 400 euros. The only amd cpu that can compete with it in both gaming and MT performance costs 249 euros more. With that money discrepancy you might as well buy a new motherboard if and when you decide to upgrade.

Mobo upgradability is nice but you are already paying for it since amds cpus are usually kinda pricy (5800x 3d launched at 450, lol).

Yes, you're right and I didn't word it correctly. I meant for gaming builds. This is because users who care about having both top-tier gaming performance AND top-tier MT performance at the same time are few and far between. There's no doubt that they exist but they're the exception, not the rule.

For the vast majority of people, AM5 is the way to go because, for most home computers, gaming is the most strenuous thing that they do. This is why gaming CPUs outsell heavy MT CPUs by an order of magnitude. That is not something that can be debated.

If MT productivity was one of my reasons for owning a PC, I would be looking at a Threadripper anyway.

 

[35below0]

Yes, you're right and I didn't word it correctly. I meant for gaming builds.

For the vast majority of people, AM5 is the way to go because, for most home computers, gaming is the most strenuous thing that they do.

I won't disagree with the value and longevity of AM5, but i think you're overlooking how much value there is in LGA1700. The next gen isn't even out yet. 1700 is as current as it gets. And the value is there for many different budgets. From the lowliest i3 12100 and the aforementioned i5 12400F, all the way to the i7 14700 or even the stupidly top tier i9KS

Motherboard specs are all over the place but there are some great performers that are dying out, like the z690 Riptide and Extreme from AsRock. And there's tippy top z790 boards that cost a lot, and i would argue aren't as good because of M.2 gen 5 lane sharing and high prices in general.

AMD is an option, and AM5 is a good option, but it's not leading the charge. The 13/14 intels are really good CPUs, and they are not going to become obsolete 30 minutes ago as you seem to insist. They're let down somewhat by the B760 motherboards honestly. Getting the right motherboard for a fair price isn't easy. That's a much bigger deal when building an intel gaming PC today, rather than AMD being competitive (which it is, fair is fair).

 

[TerryLaze]

This is why gaming CPUs outsell heavy MT CPUs by an order of magnitude. That is not something that can be debated.

Without giving any other qualifiers?! Yeah it can be debated to death.
The smallest x3d that is available everywhere is a 8/16 CPU, that already is heavy MT since it's as fast as the 5950x.

 

[TheHerald]

If MT productivity was one of my reasons for owning a PC, I would be looking at a Threadripper anyway.

So I assume one of the reasons for owning a PC is gaming, why don't you have a 4090?

Anyways, the point is AMD right now has a single CPU that is considered high end in all regards, the 7950x 3d, the others all severely lack in some areas.

 

[Unolocogringo]

I say go for what works for you individually.
Budget, performance in certain programs etc.... should be your deciding factor.
My rig games fine for me.
Does folding 90% of it time so it was built as a folding machine first and gaming /browsing secondary.
All computers eventually become obsolete so what is fastest today will be mid range in a few years.
The cycle continues.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

As someone who bought into a B450 and 2600X and 16GB 3200MT/s memory I disagree. I swapped the CPU for a 5700X and 32GB of 3600MT/s memory. Added years to its life.

Buying into a dead end platform today would be monumentally shortsighted.

Definitely a good point. AM4 was a great platform but can’t recommend buying am4 today. When I built my most recent pc I went with an Intel build with ddr4.. First Intel build. But when I got a 12600kf, board and ram for around 250 give or take, plus a 35 dollar cooler it was a great deal and I can still upgrade to 14th gen i7.

I agree with what someone above said, get the 12600k/kf a cooler and you basically have an i5 14400.

 

[cyrusfox]

APO got updated to include all hybrid CPUs from 12th gen up, you do need a bios update that will unlock all the CPUs and the newest version of dynamic tuning tech installed.

You're right, I got it working on Windows 10 even, but none of the games I play are on it. My board had a beta bios, driver and was able to get the software install.

 

[TerryLaze]

You're right, I got it working on Windows 10 even, but none of the games I play are on it. My board had a beta bios, driver and was able to get the software install.

Yeah, it kinda sucks that it's a locked list, I hoped that the advanced setting would allow you to just pick a game and see if it does anything.
They really should make it less restrictive and allow the community to come up with settings.

 

[wwenze1]

Alder Lake was supposed to be the counterattack...

Instead, 3 gens later and I'm still waiting for AMD to sell 7640U in laptops but even AMD is trolling us by selling 7520U

 

[Avro Arrow]

Strongly disagree here

For the vast majority of users, a 12th-14th gen at a great price point would be an excellent build(Same for AM4 build). Just because the platform is "dead end" is of little value importance to the majority. I Personally ran a Ivy bridge from 2012 till 2019 until I upgraded to a 9900KF(Grateful I skipped8th gen...). I went through many GPUs but the platform was more than serviceable and still is living on as a plex server out in the wild.

I would concede that the existence of the R7-5700X3D does make AM4 an interesting option but not LGA1700. Just look at how LGA1700 gets left in the proverbial dust when it comes to an i5-14400 build:

LGA1700 (DDR5):
CPU: i5-14400 - $230
Motherboard: ASRock B760M-H/M.2 - $90
RAM: Team Group T-CREATE EXPERT 32GB (2×16GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 - $98
TOTAL = $418

AM5:
CPU: R5-7600 - $189
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ - $100
RAM: Team Group T-CREATE EXPERT 32GB (2×16GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 - $98
TOTAL = $387

LGA1700 (DDR4):
CPU: i5-14400 - $230
Motherboard: Asrock H610M-HVS - $70
RAM: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB DDR4-3200 CL16 - $54
TOTAL = $354

AM4:
CPU: R7-5700X3D - $230
Motherboard: ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 - $60
RAM: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB DDR4-3200 CL16 - $54
TOTAL = $344

LGA1700 DDR5 Situation:
The i5-14400 would be in about a dead heat with the R5-7600 in gaming because it's slightly slower than the R5-7600X, just like the R5-7600. However, the power consumption would be starkly different and not in Intel's favour. The R5-7600 also comes with a usable cooler as well so that's another $30 you don't have to spend in addition to the fact that the AM5 platform is already $30 less expensive. Then of course, there's the upgrade path which may not be advantageous today, but five years down the road.... it will be. Remember that AM4 is in its eighth year and even if AM5 doesn't last as long (it probably will though), it's pretty much guaranteed that the next upgrade many years down the road will be another AM5 CPU.

LGA1700 DDR4 Situation:
The AM4 setup here just destroys the LGA1700 combination because the i5-14400 can't hang with the R7-5700X3D when it comes to gaming and it's not even close. The 1080p Geomean in Tom's R7-5700X3D review shows that the i5-14400 averages 125-130FPS while the R7-5700X3D just clobbers it with an average frame rate of 159. The AM4 setup will also use less power (X3D CPUs are NOT power-hungry) and costs $10 less.

Building a new LGA1700 PC from scratch would be a bad idea no matter how you look at it whether you strongly disagree or not. If you have numbers to back up your position, I'm willing to read them but I just don't see it happening because I already tried.

 

[35below0]

Building a new LGA1700 PC from scratch would be a bad idea no matter how you look at it whether you strongly disagree or not. If you have numbers to back up your position, I'm willing to read them but I just don't see it happening because I already tried.

With a 14400, no. Maybe the 14400 is the problem.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($149.00 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 36 CPU Cooler ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 Extreme ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $379.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-06 21:43 EDT-0400

Similar price.
Similar 10 core CPU (actually much higher clocks on the 12600K).
K model needs cooler.
K model can draw twice the power.

The 14400 vs 12600K is not a like for like comparison, but if this is about the LGA1700 DDR4 being a dead end, it isn't.
This machine could last 6-7 years comfortably, and even longer depending on OS/games/software bloat.
Keep in mind that many Sandy Bridge and Haswell machines are still running along nicely, only running into problems because of Win 11 hw requirements. And of course newest games but considering the age, that's only expected.

6-7 years from now is a new era of CPU gens, GPUs, DDR, etc. So it's enough wouldn't you agree? Esp. given the price is comparable to your choices.

One more thing, even though i started with an outdated CPU, it's not obsolete or gutless. And the final build can be upgraded to a 14700K once that CPU drops in price (or even 14900K but i'm not sure that's part of what we're talking about).

I think the CPU is the problem. Budget it ain't, and it hasn't got long legs either.
LGA1700 is a perfectly viable platform to build a computer that will be relevant at least 6-7 years, but could be a decade. That's really difficult to speculate about because i don't know what is coming.

AM5 superior? Yes. Ish. LGA1700 ded? Why? Why abandon what is brand new? Just because intel will roll out a new socket and generation of CPUs? They always do. By the time LGA1851 matures, it will be time to abandon it as dead. It doesn't make sense.

 

[35below0]

This is the bigger problem for LGA 1700. DDR5.

Depending on choice of motherboard, costs can really add up.
(Mind you, this CPU is much more powerfull than before, so strike some $40 - 120 off the price if you like)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($268.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 36 CPU Cooler ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 Riptide WiFi ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline ST 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $606.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-06 22:02 EDT-0400

I'm sure a more optimal build can be found, but it will cost more than AM5, which i think was the point.

EDIT - Come to think of it, the existance of the 13600K which costs only $40 more than the 14400 makes the 14400 a terrible choice for any budget build. The 13600K beats it easily, and there are better and cheaper intels to choose for a budget build. Like the 12100 or 12600K.

If you're really limited by money, don't consider the 14400. And if you can afford it, consider stretching your budget to the i5 13600K instead. You get a helluva lot more for your money.