Intel core i7 930 or new AMD?

[RedMonarch]

Hey everyone, well i wanted to know what should i buy, an intel core i7 930 or the new AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. I just finished reading the reviews on the new AMD CPU, but when it comes to CPU's i really dont know too much to come up with a conclusion. I mean they both cost almost the same but im not really sure. If anyone could give me any tips about buying CPU's id appreciate it a lot. Thanks.

 

[randomkid]

The total cost of the platform will include the price of the motherboard and the RAM. In this case, with the i7 930 and X6 1090T trading blows in the reviews, the AMD ends up with better price/performance ratio due to the AMD motherboard being cheaper & requiring only 2x2GB compared to i7 930's 3x2GB RAM.
Operational Cost is also cheaper since the X6 1090T is a power saver consuming 30-50% less than the i7 930.
http://www.techspot.com/review/269-amd-phenom2-x6-1090T-and-1055T/page9.html

 

[mi1ez]

Depends what you'll use it for. AMD looks god for encoding, graphic, 3d and video work, but depends on software...

 

[warmon6]

The total cost of the platform will include the price of the motherboard and the RAM. In this case, with the i7 930 and X6 1090T trading blows in the reviews, the AMD ends up with better price/performance ratio due to the AMD motherboard being cheaper & requiring only 2x2GB compared to i7 930's 3x2GB RAM.
Operational Cost is also cheaper since the X6 1090T is a power saver consuming 30-50% less than the i7 930.
http://www.techspot.com/review/269-amd-phenom2-x6-1090T-and-1055T/page9.html

How many times do i have to tell people....

Your not require to have 3 sticks of ram to run an X58 motherboard. You can run 2 sticks just fine.

Now to gain the most benefit of the x58 board, you'll need 3 sticks but your not forced to have it.

 

[jennyh]

All i7's and i5's are irrelevent at their current prices. They just are not worth buying at current prices.

 

[Chad Boga]

All i7's and i5's are irrelevent at their current prices. They just are not worth buying at current prices.

More lies I see Jenny.

The i7-860 is easily Thuban's match.

 

[jennyh]

More lies I see Jenny.

The i7-860 is easily Thuban's match.

aahaaahahah. 😀

Look at all the deluded intel fanboys pretending *their* cpu is a match for Thuban lol. :lol:

Btw Chad, remember swearing blind that there was no chance any Thuban would make 4ghz on air with all 6 cores? I haven't seen one reviewed today that *hasn't* made at least 4ghz lol. 😀

 

[warmon6]

More lies I see Jenny.

The i7-860 is easily Thuban's match.

um chad,

she talking about prices. not performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115214

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851&cm_re=phenom_ii_x6-_-19-103-851-_-Product

 

[jennyh]

1090T is probably a tiny but slower than the i7 975 overall, wins some loses some.

The 1055T is about as fast as an i7 930, but when it comes to price and overclocking it's a no-brainer which one to choose.

What I'm looking forward to seeing is can AMD increase speeds to maybe 3.6-3.8ghz over the coming year? That still won't catch the i7 980X but it will leave the 45nm i7's in the dust.

 

[warmon6]

1090T is probably a tiny but slower than the i7 975 overall, wins some loses some.

The 1055T is about as fast as an i7 930, but when it comes to price and overclocking it's a no-brainer which one to choose.

That is true

 

[Chad Boga]

aahaaahahah. 😀

Btw Chad, remember swearing blind that there was no chance any Thuban would make 4ghz on air with all 6 cores? I haven't seen one reviewed today that *hasn't* made at least 4ghz lol. 😀

I said it wouldn't be suitable as a 24/7 system

Look at all the deluded intel fanboys pretending *their* cpu is a match for Thuban

From your beloved Lost Circuits review site.

The i7-860 is faster than the top Thuban in as many instances as it is slower, and often there is virtually nothing between them, so yes my CPU is a match.

So now you have had to spend on two CPU's to finally get to my performance level. :lol:

 

[andy5174]

um chad,

she talking about prices. not performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115214

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851&cm_re=phenom_ii_x6-_-19-103-851-_-Product

1055T seems to be the only hope for AMD, because:

Basically 6-core PII-X6 performs just about the same as 4-core i7 if they are OCed to the same frequency... Not impressed at all performance-wise! How sad that AMD CPUs need 50% more cores to match Intel CPUs at any given frequency. Given that the PII-X6 1090T costs approximately the same as i7-930/i7-860, I will definitely choose i7 between the two considering i7 OCs higher and more efficient.

1055T which costs a little more than i5-750 seems to be the only hope for AMD now. It would be a huge success for AMD if the 1055T can at least reach 4GHz, because consumers would get an i7 equivalence for the price of i5-750. Otherwise, although PII-X6 is definitely not a fail, it would not be impressive/attractive too.

jennyh wrote :

1090T is probably a tiny but slower than the i7 975 overall, wins some loses some.


The 1055T is about as fast as an i7 930, but when it comes to price and overclocking it's a no-brainer which one to choose.

That is true

But remember that you can OC the i7-930

 

[randomkid]

How many times do i have to tell people....

Your not require to have 3 sticks of ram to run an X58 motherboard. You can run 2 sticks just fine.

Now to gain the most benefit of the x58 board, you'll need 3 sticks but your not forced to have it.

Yes, I know. But the point is will you feel good about having an X58 motherboard and i7 930 with only 2 sticks of RAM?

 

[warmon6]

Yes, I know. But the point is will you feel good about having an X58 motherboard and i7 930 with only 2 sticks of RAM?

Unless your programs are limited by memory bandwidth or overall system memory, you wont notice a difference between dual and tri channel or 4 GB or 6 GB or memory. 😉

 

[randomkid]

Unless your programs are limited by memory bandwidth or overall system memory, you wont notice a difference between dual and tri channel or 4 GB or 6 GB or memory. 😉

Still missing my point. The issue is whether someone who buys an X58 will be happy staring at an empty RAM slot where the 3rd stick should be. I bet he will be itching to buy one ( if he ever came to the decision to buy 2 sticks in the beginning ) irregardless whether he is happy or not about the performance.

So eventually, if not immediate, the RAM for i7 930 system will cost more than that for the AMD ( not to mention the motherboard ).

 

[Homeboy2]

Still missing my point. The issue is whether someone who buys an X58 will be happy staring at an empty RAM slot where the 3rd stick should be. I bet he will be itching to buy one ( if he ever came to the decision to buy 2 sticks in the beginning ) irregardless whether he is happy or not about the performance.

So eventually, if not immediate, the RAM for i7 930 system will cost more than that for the AMD ( not to mention the motherboard ).

Yes, I've often taken the case of my computer and stared at the two empty memory slots wishing I could buy two more.

 

[warmon6]

Still missing my point. The issue is whether someone who buys an X58 will be happy staring at an empty RAM slot where the 3rd stick should be. I bet he will be itching to buy one ( if he ever came to the decision to buy 2 sticks in the beginning ) irregardless whether he is happy or not about the performance.

So eventually, if not immediate, the RAM for i7 930 system will cost more than that for the AMD ( not to mention the motherboard ).

If he an enthusiast like us, maybe. although were a small nich in the computer world that wants to have the best or the have the fullest out of the system we own.

So maybe you'll itch to fill the 3rd slot, but not everyone will. Most people will fill it when they need it.




As for overall cost (short and long term), it can be view both ways.

Yes your point is valid although the other way it can be view, What if far down the road someone needs more the 16GB of ram?

Most motherboards can only hold 16GB of memory and the max Standardize ddr3 ram 4 GB. (there is 8Gb ram sticks but they cost big $$$)

So If you need more then 16 GB in the future, you'll need to upgrade the platform which will probably be with ddr4 ram (or whatever the name of the next set of ram is). As with new ram, you'll need a new motherboard and cpu that can use them. Bring in up the cost.

With an x58 motherboard, all i would need is 6 4GB ddr3 sticks and i have 24GB.

So it depends on how far/short in the future your looking into.

Although that going to be a long while and no one need more than 6gb (unless your using a program that need that much memory.)

 

[ensabrenoir]

aahaaahahah. 😀

Look at all the deluded intel fanboys pretending *their* cpu is a match for Thuban lol. :lol:

Btw Chad, remember swearing blind that there was no chance any Thuban would make 4ghz on air with all 6 cores? I haven't seen one reviewed today that *hasn't* made at least 4ghz lol. 😀

Love AMD video cards, great value on the six core but....
Hyundai can make a car that looks like a Mercedes, has all the features Of a Mercedes, and cost 1/8 of the price of a Mercedes but its still a Hyundai. Having a six core that can barely handle an intel quad is like having a Ferrari with the performance of a mini van... a Hyundai mini van.
Still great value for the classification of a six core, but some perfer 100% angus beef not salisbury steak. Nothing against Hyundai or salisbury steak

 

[randomkid]

Love AMD video cards, great value on the six core but....
Hyundai can make a car that looks like a Mercedes, has all the features Of a Mercedes, and cost 1/8 of the price of a Mercedes but its still a Hyundai. Having a six core that can barely handle an intel quad is like having a Ferrari with the performance of a mini van... a Hyundai mini van.
Still great value for the classification of a six core, but some perfer 100% angus beef not salisbury steak. Nothing against Hyundai or salisbury steak

I bet you didn't know half of what you're talking about.

 

[notty22]

Why ? I think it was a half decent analogy. I had thought of something similar.
From Tweaktown

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3251/amd_phenom_ii_x6_1090t_black_edition_3_2ghz_six_core_cpu/index10.html However, in many of our tests the 1090T only performed a little better than the Core i5 750 which sells for $200 right now. The 1090T did run well compared to the Xeon X3470 (which is comparable to the i7 870), but only in a handful of tests.

One area that just about all AMD CPUs we have tested needs to improve on is memory performance. Here is one of AMD’s big weak points. This single factor hurts AMD CPUs more than many would like to believe. If you cannot quickly get the information from memory to the CPU and back, you are going to lose in the end. We saw this in more than one of our tests.

Also AMD chipsets perform slower vs P55 X 58 in every sata performance test. The new 890gx is their best effort yet, but still slower. Thats not pointed out in every cpu article, its chipset/driver performance. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55

 

[warmon6]

I bet you didn't know half of what you're talking about.

+1

have to agree on that.

 

[jennyh]

Why ? I think it was a half decent analogy. I had thought of something similar.
From Tweaktown

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3251/amd_phenom_ii_x6_1090t_black_edition_3_2ghz_six_core_cpu/index10.html However, in many of our tests the 1090T only performed a little better than the Core i5 750 which sells for $200 right now. The 1090T did run well compared to the Xeon X3470 (which is comparable to the i7 870), but only in a handful of tests.

One area that just about all AMD CPUs we have tested needs to improve on is memory performance. Here is one of AMD’s big weak points. This single factor hurts AMD CPUs more than many would like to believe. If you cannot quickly get the information from memory to the CPU and back, you are going to lose in the end. We saw this in more than one of our tests.

Also AMD chipsets perform slower vs P55 X 58 in every sata performance test. The new 890gx is their best effort yet, but still slower. Thats not pointed out in every cpu article, its chipset/driver performance. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55

Interesting. Did tweaktown use the Black Edition memory profiles before whinging about memory performance?

 

[Alfred_i]

890 fx is the better one.and you must look at this page to see amd 1090t beat all intel cpu excet core i980x and has third rank in high end cpu with 309$.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

 

[randomkid]

Why ? I think it was a half decent analogy. I had thought of something similar.

Yes, that was I am saying... "half decent"... The half about Hyundai & Mercedes makes sense. The half about AMD 6 cores being like a Ferrari that runs like a Hyundai minivan doesn't.

 

[jennyh]

+1 randomkid 😀