News Intel crams Meteor Lake laptop chips into a socket for edge computing — includes Arc graphics and NPU for AI workloads

[Admin]

Intel has announced new socketable LGA Intel Core Ultra CPUs designed specifically for edge computing applications. The processors will include integrated Arc graphics as well as NPUs for AI workloads.

Intel crams Meteor Lake laptop chips into a socket for edge computing — includes Arc graphics and NPU for AI workloads : Read more

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Very poorly written article. There are many more details/slides Intel shared which you didn't even bother including. These are the same Meteor Lake PS chips which were spotted before.

IBASE, an embedded and industrial PC/component manufacturer was the first company to list LGA 1851 socketed motherboard featuring support for Intel's Meteor Lake-PS "Core Ultra" CPUs.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-the-first-chips-to-use-intels-lga1851-socket

Intel didn't share any key specifications or model names for any of its upcoming edge-focused Core Ultra processors.

Really ? I thought they have already shared the info ?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...d-processors/core-ultra/ps.html#tab-blade-1-0

There are at least 9 SKUs mentioned which include four Meteor Lake PS 45W and five Meteor Lake PS 15W chips.

The top chip is the Intel Core Ultra 7 (Series 1) 165HL & packs a total of 16 cores and 22 threads in a 6+8+2 (P/E/LP-E) configuration. The chip features 24 MB of L3 cache, a clock speed of up to 5.0 GHz, and can scale up to 65W.

The Alchemist Arc iGPU is equipped with 8 Xe-cores of 128 execution units running at 2.3 GHz and supports up to 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes.

CPU Name	Cores / Threads (Config)	Base / Boost Clock	GPU Cores / Clock	L3 Cache	PCIe Lanes / Memory	TDP
Core Ultra 7 165HL	16 / 22 (6+8+2)	3.10 / 5.00 GHz	128 EUs @ 2.30 GHz	24 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	20 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core Ultra 7 155HL	16 / 22 (6+8+2)	3.00 / 4.80 GHz	128 EUs @ 2.25 GHz	24 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	20 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core Ultra 5 135HL	14 / 18 (4+8+2)	3.20 / 4.60 GHz	128 EUs @ 2.20 GHz	18 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	20 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core Ultra 5 125HL	14 / 18 (4+8+2)	3.00 / 4.50 GHz	112 EUs @ 2.20 GHz	18 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	20 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core Ultra 7 165UL	12 / 14 (2+8+2)	2.70 / 4.90 GHz	64 EUs @ 2.00 GHz	12 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core Ultra 7 155UL	12 / 14 (2+8+2)	2.70 / 4.80 GHz	64 EUs @ 1.95 GHz	12 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core Ultra 5 135UL	12 / 14 (2+8+2)	2.70 / 4.40 GHz	64 EUs @ 1.90 GHz	12 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core Ultra 5 125UL	12 / 14 (2+8+2)	2.70 / 4.30 GHz	64 EUs @ 1.85 GHz	12 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core Ultra 3 105UL	8 / 10 (2+4+2)	2.70 / 4.20 GHz	64 EUs @ 1.80 GHz	10 MB	20 Gen 4 / DDR5-5600	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Some more details/slides worth mentioning, just in case anyone is interested.

The CPU socket is listed with support of up to DDR5-5600 memory, TBT4 IO, and has dimensions of 45 by 37.5mm.

Core Ultra "Meteor Lake PS" CPUs offer up to 5.02x faster GPU performance, 3.13x faster AI performance, and 3.85x lower power for AI and graphics workloads vs the previous generation.

BTW, Intel has also released new "Raptor Lake PS" LGA 1700 Socketed CPUs as well, including brand new embedded Atom Processors under the x7000RE series for the Edge computing platforms.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...mbedded-processors/core/ps.html#tab-blade-1-0

Intel Core "Raptor Lake PS" LGA 1700 CPUs For Edge"

CPU Name	Cores / Threads (Config)	Base / Boost Clock	GPU Cores / Clock	L3 Cache	PCIe Lanes / Memory	TDP
Core 7 160HL	14 / 20 (6+8)	2.90 / 5.20 GHz	96 EUs @ 1.50 GHz	24 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	35 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core 7 150HL	14 / 20 (6+8)	2.90 / 5.00 GHz	96 EUs @ 1.50 GHz	24 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	35 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core 5 130HL	12 / 16 (4+8)	3.30 / 4.80 GHz	80 EUs @ 1.50 GHz	18 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	35 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core 5 120HL	12 / 16 (4+8)	3.20 / 4.70 GHz	80 EUs @ 1.45 GHz	18 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	35 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core 3 100HL	8 / 12 (4+4)	2.60 / 4.60 GHz	48 EUs @ 1.40 GHz	12 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	35 (Min) / 45 (Base) / 65 (Max)
Core 7 160UL	10 / 12 (2+8)	2.70 / 5.20 GHz	96 EUs @ 1.30 GHz	12 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core 7 150UL	10 / 12 (2+8)	2.60 / 5.00 GHz	96 EUs @ 1.30 GHz	12 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core 5 130UL	10 / 12 (2+8)	2.50 / 4.70 GHz	80 EUs @ 1.25 GHz	12 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core 5 120UL	10 / 12 (2+8)	2.50 / 4.60 GHz	80 EUs @ 1.25 GHz	12 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)
Core 3 100UL	6 / 8 (2+4)	2.50 / 4.50 GHz	64 EUs @ 1.25 GHz	10 MB	20 / D5-5200/D4-3200	12 (Min) / 15 (Base) / 28 (Max)

Intel Atom Processors x7000RE CPUs For Edge:​

CPU Name	Cores / Threads (Config)	Base / Boost Clock	GPU Cores / Clock	TDP
Atom x7211RE	2 Cores	1.00 / 3.20 GHz	16 EU @ 1.00 GHz	6W
Atom x7213RE	2 Cores	2.00 / 3.40 GHz	16 EU @ 1.00 GHz	9W
Atom x7433RE	4 Cores	1.50 / 3.40 GHz	32 EU @ 1.00 GHz	9W
Atom x7835RE	8 Cores	1.30 / 3.60 GHz	32 EU @ 1.20 GHz	12W

 

[thestryker]

It's kind of interesting that the "new" RPL CPUs are all the mobile SKUs, but I'm guessing that's because of the IGP. I also wonder what PCH is going to be used as the prior leak motherboard pic shows a heatsink which in theory would be for one.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Yes, I think those should be Raptor Lake-H mobile series SKUs used for Edge applications, based on the higher number of iGPU core count, 96 EUs.

 

[TechyIT223]

A bit off topic,

So this new socket 1851 platform is gonna last for how many generations of processors for us gamers, when it arrives later this year?

Starting with consumer gaming Arrow Lake S chips ? I guess at least 2-3 generations as min.

Intel provides less socket longevity than AMD unless I'm mistaken.

 

[thestryker]

So this new socket 1851 platform is gonna last for how many generations of processors for us gamers, when it arrives later this year?

Nobody knows for sure given this is a weird situation. MTL was supposed to come to desktop using 1851, but now it won't and ARL will be the launch product. It'll really depend on what the plan was going forward as to whether or not the generation afterwards also uses the same socket. I'd imagine if it's doable they will, and 1700/1851 use the same motherboard socket design so who knows whether the next one was supposed to as well (1156-1200 all did which was ~11 years).

 

[bit_user]

Intel Atom Processors x7000RE CPUs For Edge:​

CPU Name	Cores / Threads (Config)	Base / Boost Clock	GPU Cores / Clock	TDP
Atom x7211RE	2 Cores	1.00 / 3.20 GHz	16 EU @ 1.00 GHz	6W
Atom x7213RE	2 Cores	2.00 / 3.40 GHz	16 EU @ 1.00 GHz	9W
Atom x7433RE	4 Cores	1.50 / 3.40 GHz	32 EU @ 1.00 GHz	9W
Atom x7835RE	8 Cores	1.30 / 3.60 GHz	32 EU @ 1.20 GHz	12W

Wow! I hadn't even seen a mention of Amston Lake, before now!

Weirdly, I think it still uses Gracemont cores?? And not even clusters with double the L2 cache, like in Raptor Lake! The Ark listing show their lithography as Intel 7, so that pretty much confirms it!

So, what was the point, then? Can anyone explain how these differ from Alder Lake-N?

 

[TechyIT223]

So many generations of "Lakes" in the making. 😅

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Wow! I hadn't even seen a mention of Amston Lake, before now!

Weirdly, I think it still uses Gracemont cores?? And not even clusters with double the L2 cache, like in Raptor Lake! The Ark listing show their lithography as Intel 7, so that pretty much confirms it!

So, what was the point, then? Can anyone explain how these differ from Alder Lake-N?

YES, Amston Lake chips are also based on Gracemont E cores. In fact the differences between Alder Lake-N and these new Amston Lake chips are not that prominent, imo. Both support the FCBGA1264 socket.

They only differ in some minor security features, and Alder-N targeted both the Mobile/embedded platform, unlike these Amston "embedded" chips, which also support in-Band Error Correction Code, if that makes any difference, lol ?

Anyway, I'm still digging and will get back with more technical info. Just wrote the above from my memory. 😴


BTW, here is a close-up pic of the above leaked socket LGA 1851 ! The socket seems identical to the LGA 1700, judging by the overall dimensions, which are 45mm x 37.5mm.

The upcoming Arrow Lake-S desktop client lineup should also support a similar socket design/dimensions (if not exactly the same), but we can't say for sure, assuming Intel plans to make some changes in the last moment for the consumer segment.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

So many generations of "Lakes" in the making. 😅

I got some NEWS for you !

As you may already by now that after the client Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake CPU lineup, we then have the "Panther Lake" and the "Nova Lake" lineup which will feature the largest architectural uplift in the company's history.

But recently a new "Adams Lake" entry was also spotted for client CPUs based on the "Douglas Cove" uarch.

ADAMS LAKE, based on Douglas Cove P-Core architecture.

The recent Linux Code patches unearthed the Adams Lake "Client" and Cooper Forest "Server" chips.

The Cooper Forest server lineup supports the new "Sheldonmont" E-Core architecture, which appears to be a successor to Clearwater Forest.

 

[bit_user]

these Amston "embedded" chips, which also support in-Band Error Correction Code, if that makes any difference, lol ?

Some Alder Lake-N systems do support In-band ECC! I think it's not so much model-dependent as whether the device maker chooses to pay Intel to "unlock" IB-ECC, although that's pure speculation on my part. I just haven't seen a clear pattern associating CPU models with the feature. Instead, it seems system-specific.

we then have the "Panther Lake" and the "Nova Lake" lineup which will feature the largest architectural uplift in the company's history.

Source?

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Source?

Too many sources to point out here. Some rumors, some official leaked slides/info to back up, some Linux kernel entries, and other driver/compiler leaks. Will get back with details after I reach home.

 

[TechyIT223]

I got some NEWS for you !

As you may already by now that after the client Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake CPU lineup, we then have the "Panther Lake" and the "Nova Lake" lineup which will feature the largest architectural uplift in the company's history.

But recently a new "Adams Lake" entry was also spotted for client CPUs based on the "Douglas Cove" uarch.

ADAMS LAKE, based on Douglas Cove P-Core architecture.

The recent Linux Code patches unearthed the Adams Lake "Client" and Cooper Forest "Server" chips.

The Cooper Forest server lineup supports the new "Sheldonmont" E-Core architecture, which appears to be a successor to Clearwater Forest.

Great find man ! never heard about these new processors before though.

Should be in Intel's pipeline for sure if these linux entries have them mentioned.

 

[TechyIT223]

Btw I presume adams Lake will sport both E and P cores as well or just P ?

 

[thestryker]

Nobody public has any real architecture details that far out typically. I do think it would be fair to say that hybrid designs for client aren't going anywhere any time soon.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Yeah indeed. We really can't say for sure what Intel has planned for it's future chip lineup and the underlying CPU architecture/design since these things can change with time.

I'm not much interested in a hybrid core arch though.

EDIT:

Btw, I'm also interested to see how the recent removal of HT from Intel's next-gen CPUs pans out in future.

Intel still needs to do a bit of optimization of its E-Cores in certain apps and games. Though, they did work to make its E-Core utilization better in the form of APO (Application Performance Optimization), but sadly, this feature only supports a small list of games and is also limited to the latest gen CPUs.

 

[bit_user]

Intel still needs to do a bit of optimization of its E-Cores in certain apps and games. Though, they did work to make its E-Core utilization better in the form of APO (Application Performance Optimization), but sadly, this feature only supports a small list of games and is also limited to the latest gen CPUs.

This and ThreadDirector are both backwards solutions. The proper way to optimize thread scheduling is to improve threading APIs and how games & apps use them.

 

[TechyIT223]

Any update on Intel's APO feature...Are they supposed to extend support for more games ?

Those processors which lack E cores should clearly benefit from APO optimisation much easily imo but I'm just guessing here.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Nope. Too bad my i5 12600K doesn't have "proper" support for APO, atm. Not that we have too many games to try out, but still...
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