News Intel Details Core Ultra ‘Meteor Lake’ Architecture, Launches December 14

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Intel shared the deep-dive architectural details of its upcoming Core Ultra ‘Meteor Lake’ processors as it readies them for launch on December 14, 2023.

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[evdjj3j]

The Intel 4 process node has Intel’s highest Day-Zero yields in a decade.

Is that really a high bar considering 10nm?

 

[TerryLaze]

The Intel 4 process node has Intel’s highest Day-Zero yields in a decade.

Is that really a high bar considering 10nm?

What do you mean?! I am sure they got 10nm to an extremely low loss of yield at some point because it was around for so long but this is about zero-day.

 

[TJ Hooker]

What do you mean?! I am sure they got 10nm to an extremely low loss of yield at some point because it was around for so long but this is about zero-day.

Zero day yields for 10 nm were presumably terrible, given the numerous delays and limited releases. 14 nm also had zero day yield issues, resulting in the delay/limited release of Broadwell. Those are the two nodes Intel has launched in the last decade.

Their point was that Intel's claim of having the best zero day yields in a decade (with Intel 4) doesn't say much, because that bar is set so low.

 

[TerryLaze]

Zero day yields for 10 nm were presumably terrible, given the numerous delays and limited releases. 14 nm also had zero day yield issues, resulting in the delay/limited release of Broadwell. Those are the two nodes Intel has launched in the last decade.

Their point was that Intel's claim of having the best zero day yields in a decade (with Intel 4) doesn't say much, because that bar is set so low.

It has a better initial yield than the refinements of the two previous nodes.
That's still impressive.

 

[psyconz]

It has a better initial yield than the refinements of the two previous nodes.
That's still impressive.

Quite surprised to see this interpretation. It seems fairly clear to me that it's comparing zero day to zero day, not zero day to refinements. Am I just blind? ;P TJ Hooker has it correct, as far as I can tell.

 

[spongiemaster]

Zero day yields for 10 nm were presumably terrible, given the numerous delays and limited releases. 14 nm also had zero day yield issues, resulting in the delay/limited release of Broadwell. Those are the two nodes Intel has launched in the last decade.

Their point was that Intel's claim of having the best zero day yields in a decade (with Intel 4) doesn't say much, because that bar is set so low.

It may not be impressive, but it is important. Intel needs to start consistently delivering on its roadmap. With Intel 4 reaching market this year, it's only a few months late vs their roadmap from 2021, which had Intel 4 products on the market in H1 of 2023. That's world's better than 10nm, and also better than 14nm.

As Terry pointed out, it's also comparing vs the refinements of 14nm and 10nm, so this really is a noteworthy achievement.

 

[spongiemaster]

Quite surprised to see this interpretation. It seems fairly clear to me that it's comparing zero day to zero day, not zero day to refinements. Am I just blind? ;P TJ Hooker has it correct, as far as I can tell.

It's clearly comparing both. There are 2 ticks and 2 tocks on the chart. Tocks are refinements.

 

[TJ Hooker]

It has a better initial yield than the refinements of the two previous nodes.
That's still impressive.

Ah, I missed that slide. I was just going off the article text, which I interpreted as comparing zero day to zero day yields. Yeah, if Intel 4 yields are already better than mature 14nm and 10nm SF, that is much more impressive.

Edit: Well, maybe not "mature", as Skylake was fairly early in the lifespan of 14nm (and potentially a similar story with Tiger Lake, if you consider 10nm ESF/Intel 7 to be a maturation of 10nm SF). But not "zero day".

 

[JamesJones44]

When I read the headline about 2x performance on the iGPU I assumed it would be with the memory on chip vis over chip I/O to the MB.

Looks decent overall, but will have to wait for the benchmarks to get a sense of how much progress Intel has actually made.

 

[jasonf2]

I think the point he was trying to make is that the 4 process node is on track and not going to be another 10nm no show. Refinements or not 10 nm never really made it out of the gate hence 14nm+++++++++++.

 

[psyconz]

Ah, I missed that slide. I was just going off the article text, which I interpreted as comparing zero day to zero day yields. Yeah, if Intel 4 yields are already better than mature 14nm and 10nm SF, that is much more impressive.

Edit: Well, maybe not "mature", as Skylake was fairly early in the lifespan of 14nm (and potentially a similar story with Tiger Lake, if you consider 10nm ESF/Intel 7 to be a maturation of 10nm SF). But not "zero day".

Thanks very much for explaining this further. I missed that too. Apologies, also, TerryLaze.

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[everettfsargent]

That chart has no labeled y-axis units! Anyone else notice break on y-axis? Bueller ... Bueller ... Bueller ...

So 10% yields go to 11% go to 12% meaning improvement but insignificant improvement, n00bs!

 

[JayNor]

When I read the headline about 2x performance on the iGPU I assumed it would be with the memory on chip vis over chip I/O to the MB.

Looks decent overall, but will have to wait for the benchmarks to get a sense of how much progress Intel has actually made.

A graph shows that the gpu clock speed is contributing greatly to the 2x performance .

View: https://youtu.be/_CMGdhtDlqI?t=455