News Intel hasn't sold a single Arrow Lake CPU at Germany's largest retailer — Core Ultra 200S sales stagnate after just one week

[Admin]

One week after its release, Intel's Core Ultra 200S series still has not sold a single unit on Mindfactory, Germany's largest online PC component retailer. While the chips have sold out on most American retailers, Mindfactory's provided numbers show that Intel sales have plummeted to nearly zero on Mindfactory.

Intel hasn't sold a single Arrow Lake CPU at Germany's largest retailer — Core Ultra 200S sales stagnate after just one week : Read more

 

[jkhoward]

Shocker, they’ve been on a horrible streak lately. At least the CPUs before Zen 1 weren’t self imploding. They ran hot, and sucked up a ton of power, but they’re still alive and kicking it today. This is Intel’s Zen 1 moment, they’ll have a Zen 2 moment, and hopefully by Zen 3 they’ll sort it out. Using glue to hold chips together is a lot harder than Intel must have thought.

 

[Gururu]

Just two months ago it was reported that Mindfactory only sold a few dozen of AMD's latest. I guess it is better than zero or there is some weird metrics here...
https://www.techpowerup.com/325533/...few-dozen-amd-ryzen-7-9700x-and-ryzen-5-9600x

 

[logainofhades]

Zen 5 at least was a minor improvement over Zen 4. Arrow lake is more of a regression, in some ways. It's almost akin to Phenom II vs Faildozer.

 

[YSCCC]

Just two months ago it was reported that Mindfactory only sold a few dozen of AMD's latest. I guess it is better than zero or there is some weird metrics here...
https://www.techpowerup.com/325533/...few-dozen-amd-ryzen-7-9700x-and-ryzen-5-9600x

Likely since Zen 5 isn't showing massive improvement over Zen 4, and Arrow Lake have promised massive efficiency gain and not far from X3D in gaming, so consumers are waiting for the reviews of ARL before making final decision, now the reviews are out and ppl just go for the Zen 4 X3D or Zen 5 instead...

 

[Conor Stewart]

Just two months ago it was reported that Mindfactory only sold a few dozen of AMD's latest. I guess it is better than zero or there is some weird metrics here...
https://www.techpowerup.com/325533/...few-dozen-amd-ryzen-7-9700x-and-ryzen-5-9600x

Ryzen 9000 series isn't selling all that well either but that is because it isn't enough of an increase over 7000 series and people will be waiting for 9000x3d.

In the article here it said that 7800x3d and 5700x3d are their best selling CPUs.

9000 series is an improvement over 7000 series but not enough to stop people from just buying the cheaper 7000 series chips. For anyone wanting the best gaming performance the 7800x3d is still the best just now until 9000x3d releases so it doesn't make sense for people with any of the x3d CPUs to upgrade right now.

I think the main point here is that at a time when Arrow Lake should see it's best sales it is barely selling and that Intel only makes up 5% of its CPU sales meaning that Intel CPUs despite the new launch really aren't selling many at all.

 

[Ogotai]

or, maybe with the issues with 13th and 14th gens, there is little trust in intel, and some dont want to risk buying an intel cpu, only to have issues in 6 months...

 

[Jame5]

Honestly, I think the Arrow Lake series is a good win. Slight regression/even/or even slight gains while consuming MUCH less power is a significant amount of progress from Intel. Peaking at 450w+ to <240w is a huge gain in efficiency.

 

[helper800]

This does not bode well for Intel in Europe. The Intel Ultra 200s and AMD's 9000 series are a good example of the old adage; There are no bad products, only bad prices. The new Intel CPUs are, for the most part, much more power efficient 13k/14k series Intel CPUs with no hyper threading, and slightly worse gaming performance. If the release prices were 240 for the 245k, 360 for the 265k, and 480 for the 285k I would presume they'd be selling like hotcakes.

 

[philipemaciel]

Shocker, they’ve been on a horrible streak lately. At least the CPUs before Zen 1 weren’t self imploding. They ran hot, and sucked up a ton of power, but they’re still alive and kicking it today. This is Intel’s Zen 1 moment, they’ll have a Zen 2 moment, and hopefully by Zen 3 they’ll sort it out. Using glue to hold chips together is a lot harder than Intel must have thought.

I would say that this is more like a Bulldozer moment: releasing a much waited CPU family that isn't that bad, but is still bad, and more importantly, very disappointing.

 

[DS426]

As Jay Leno like to say, "that's hilarious!"

Intel must be a really bad word over there. Yeah, it's not glamorous, but aren't there more folks trying to get off of suicidal Raptor Lake like I assume what's going on here in the U.S? Or just upgrades from much older models like Kaby Lake or thereabouts?

 

[thestryker]

Meanwhile the 285K is sold out at every major retailer in the US (the volume has been low AFAIK). While these things don't particularly mean much overall I think it speaks to the most recent launches for AMD/Intel. They're not very interesting (outside of very specific workloads) and certainly aren't worth the money compared to previous generation. For most people Zen 4 offers the best perf/$ right now. I have no doubt that as time passes this will be supplanted by Zen 5 as prices drop.

I don't really think there's a large market for Arrow Lake even though I don't think it's a particularly bad product. At this point I think some of the non-K SKUs may end up being the most interesting in the stack should rumors be accurate. Overall I'd be surprised if Intel was doing the type of volume with ARL as they would if it was on their own node.

As things stand right now I'll probably be getting something ARL, but that's entirely due to platform and really enjoying tweaking my systems (there being a lot of new levers to play with) rather than it being the better CPU choice.

 

[TheHerald]

Techepiphany, the same guy that posted the "0 sales" about Intel was also - 2 days ago - complaining that there is no stock. If there is no stock, how the heck are they going to sale?

 

[TheHerald]

Meanwhile the 285K is sold out at every major retailer in the US (the volume has been low AFAIK). While these things don't particularly mean much overall I think it speaks to the most recent launches for AMD/Intel. They're not very interesting (outside of very specific workloads) and certainly aren't worth the money compared to previous generation. For most people Zen 4 offers the best perf/$ right now. I have no doubt that as time passes this will be supplanted by Zen 5 as prices drop.

I don't really think there's a large market for Arrow Lake even though I don't think it's a particularly bad product. At this point I think some of the non-K SKUs may end up being the most interesting in the stack should rumors be accurate. Overall I'd be surprised if Intel was doing the type of volume with ARL as they would if it was on their own node.

As things stand right now I'll probably be getting something ARL, but that's entirely due to platform and really enjoying tweaking my systems (there being a lot of new levers to play with) rather than it being the better CPU choice.

They are sold out in the 2 places in EU that actually had stock the first few days, alternatede, alternatees, alternate denmark computeruniverse and NBB have sold out. Both tray and boxed versions.

 

[hotaru251]

honestly I could see some ppl buying em to get out of 13/14th gen due to issues and just refuse to go AMD.

While hope Intel improves like amd did w/ zen this is 1 generation cpu they will have to suffer poor sales (globally)

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Not surprised, Arrow Lake is not an exciting proposal.

 

[Notton]

Well yeah, why would you buy 200S when it requires an entirely new and expensive mobo?
You don't even get an upgrade path because that got canned.

Why did Arrow lake need a new socket?
Why does the chip after it need yet another new socket?

 

[USAFRet]

Well yeah, why would you buy 200S when it requires an entirely new and expensive mobo?

Because my current system (AMD) is old enough to need a new motherboard anyway.

You don't even get an upgrade path because that got canned.

Generally, I don't upgrade the CPU within the same socket. By the time I need a new/better CPU, I need a new board as well.

 

[DavidLejdar]

Living in Berlin, near Magdeburg, I wouldn't say it has to do with the fab, or at least not as much as gamers simply making up a large chunk of PC customers, which shows in that many went specifically for X3D CPUs. So, Intel's like office CPUs, a quick pass for many. Additionally, there is also the cost of living crisis, with here in politics being big talk about recession, and that several car factories are going to close (in terms of want management talks about, some politicians and union not really agreeing with that), and worries about even less economic activity, if there will be them huge import duties by the U.S. So, to buy a new MB and CPU just for the fun of it, not really financially feasible for many, including companies.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that all of those processors currently are only listed as Tray processors, not boxed? I've been building PCs for 20 years, and I wouldn't touch a tray processor.

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/INTEL+Desktop/Sockel+1851.html

 

[helper800]

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that all of those processors currently are only listed as Tray processors, not boxed? I've been building PCs for 20 years, and I wouldn't touch a tray processor.

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/INTEL+Desktop/Sockel+1851.html

Also if you look at the listing for the 285k it says that there are "over 10 sold" while 5 are remaining in stock. Seems they are selling just fine to me.
https://www.mindfactory.de/search_result.php?search_query=285k

 

[DingusDog]

Honestly, I think the Arrow Lake series is a good win. Slight regression/even/or even gains while consuming MUCH less power a significant amount of progress from intel. Peaking at 450w+ to <240w is a huge gain in efficiency.

So much winning.

 

[abufrejoval]

I am positively convinced, that Mindfactory isn't Germany's largest retailer.

I'm not sure, they are even anywhere near the largest IT retailer in Germany.

They are certainly the one retailer in Germany, who knows how to make themselves look big, e.g. by being generally noisy and publishing their sales statistics.

Do not assume that anything they say about themselves is true just because they are saying it.
That would be like saying that tom's Hardware is the leading news publisher.

They used to lead on prices, but they paid for that via substandard service for several years.
I know because I occasionally suffered the consequences.

They seems to have adjusted both towards a median, while their logistics still suck a bit or just suffer from being in the wrong place logistically.

It kind of funny that their Danish competitors (Proshop) very often beat them on price and time-to-delivery, even though they are 400km further North.

And when it comes to service and speed of delivery, nothing beats Alternate, at least in Germany.

Just my own personal 2 cents...

 

[Amdlova]

These cpu with that price tag is doomed.
Motherboard another high cost.
And on Germany the eletric cost a lot more than in other parts of the world.
Here in Brazil a gammer computer can place one third of monthly income only on electricity.

It's why I love these little T cpus. 90% of time the computer is on idle.

 

[Dr3ams]

All my friends here in Germany, who build their own PCs, prefer AMD CPUs. Also, since 2019 every PC I've built for family members has always had an AMD CPU. I feel Intel hasn't given me any reason to switch, so like the old saying, "if it isn't broke..."