Intel Hit With $1.45 Billion Fine From EU

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matt2k

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I hope this means lower prices all round :)
though it will likely only affect OEM builds n such. tis a pity.

and that is taking into account that intel will stop doing this...
 

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oh and kudos to whover figured out how to remove that first post being a summary of the article. was starting to bug me
 

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I really hope that AMD will finally be allowed back into the market now. Sure there CPU's aren't quite as good on the performance scale, but you get immense bang for you buck. The Phenom II 955 can hit 4 GHz without passing 1.5 volts
 

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+1 and +1. although I am dissappointed in Intel. Yes they make nice processors, but what the hell. If the EU ruling holds, there is NO way nothing will happen here in America. I don't want Intel pulling this shit here, but I don't want them running around nudered and scared either. They HAVE to appeal the EU fine regardless of amount - and yes they were lucky it was so "little" - because not doing so says they were guilty, just like prepaying a traffic ticket, it is admitting the guilt.
 

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oh so this mean what ? stop marketing intel's latest chip and sell only crappy old chip ? come on ! it's nbot intel's fault AMD cant follow .thx EU , way to boost the darn market.
 

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BS. This is not about AMD its about the EU needing money. AMD would not be in the trouble it is in if they made a better product. I used to be an AMD fan boy but it comes down to Performance. Intel is just faster.
 

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[citation][nom]scook9[/nom]If the EU ruling holds, there is NO way nothing will happen here in America. I don't want Intel pulling this shit here, but I don't want them running around nudered and scared either.[/citation]
It's already happened in the US.
 

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AMD cpus could be awesome if AMD just had the cash comming in.

I say that AMD is competing pretty awesome for a company that has been kicked in the nuts. So if AMD just had those extra sales, well that would put amd back on track.


AMD had to do that wierd Fab thing becuase it lacked cash. AMD would still be a whole (not having to sell out their fabs in a wierd way)if they were not kicked in the nuts.

When the Athlon first came out AMD was increasing market share like crazy and yet for some reason they were stuck thanks to intel.
Could you imagine what AMD would be like today if Intel played fair?
 

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The scary thing about the EU as the EU is pretty big, is that the EU could impose import duties/taxes on Intel CPUs if it wanted to level the playing field. And that would affect a lot of countries/sales. Or if Intel doesn't pay the fine, it could ban the sales and import of Intel CPUs in the EU. Either way it would be a plus for AMD.
 
[citation][nom]ShqTth[/nom]AMD cpus could be awesome if AMD just had the cash comming in.I say that AMD is competing pretty awesome for a company that has been kicked in the nuts. So if AMD just had those extra sales, well that would put amd back on track.AMD had to do that wierd Fab thing becuase it lacked cash. AMD would still be a whole (not having to sell out their fabs in a wierd way)if they were not kicked in the nuts.When the Athlon first came out AMD was increasing market share like crazy and yet for some reason they were stuck thanks to intel. Could you imagine what AMD would be like today if Intel played fair?[/citation]

They had plenty of cash coming in in the Athlon 64 early days when Pentium 4's and Pentium D's were cheap, hot and slow and the A64's and X2's allowed for a premium price for the better more efficent option etc - all they gave us is the Phenom - wouldnt say your statement is entirely true
 

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The EU was very kind towards Intel: the fine could have been 4 billion (i.e. 10% of turnover). Just a fine to get their attention.
Intel awaits same charges in Japan and Korea; maybe US follows.
That will add up.
Chuckle.
 

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[citation][nom]hikayu[/nom]oh so this mean what ? stop marketing intel's latest chip and sell only crappy old chip ? come on ! it's nbot intel's fault AMD cant follow .thx EU , way to boost the darn market.[/citation]

Are you retarded or do you take night classes on how to become a world-class douche?

"rebates offered as long as manufacturers agreed to obtain the majority of their processors from Intel as well as paying them to either to delay or cancel the launch of AMD based products."

This case has nothing to do with Intel marketing their latest chip or if you believe that AMD cannot keep up with Intel (imo they do). This case is about Intel essentially PAYING retailers to not carry AMD or delay release of AMD products. That's F'ed up right there.

AMD produces a great product. They make processors that do everything that Intel can do and AMD makes it more cost effective. Buy AMD and take that $100+ you just saved and put it toward a better GPU. Buy ATI and save some more. AMD is playing the game and playing it very well but you can’t ever get an Intel fanboi to admit that.

I like Intel products and have always supported them but this time I am building all AMD because I have enough intelligence to recognize a price bargin without taking a performance loss.

On that note. Tom, there is a review you can do. $1500 cap but underspending is encouraged and will count toward the final score - AMD/ATI vs Intel/Nvidia and see which produces a more cost effective setup.
 

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I think EU is trying to cover it is monetary dificit by fining 1.45 billion just from Intel. Who does not want free money.
First of all, if they been monitoring Intel for a long time, they should not have waited 5 years to fine someone, and with this action, as most of you say AMD will not benefit at all. AS AMD had it's run, and they could run again.
And if they really wanted to help competition they would act at least 3 years ago so competition stays alive, not like this time after 5 years. Even I do not believe that this was the case. AMD was out of cash because it bought ATI, and wasted cash, and therefore could not invest in R&D and therefore could not compete.
I believe OBAMA has to talk to EU and cancel that fine, i think my state would not mind to have that kind of money in this economy.
 

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[citation][nom]MountainFlip[/nom]When the EU fines Intel, who is Intel actually paying the fine to?[/citation]
I'd like to know this same thing...if the fine goes to the EU only then it's just a load of bull. Since they are fining them for hurting the "consumers" then either the money should go to those millions of consumers or the money should go to competitors as payments for lost revenue. Anyone know how it actually works?
 

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Food for thought here is that 1. AMD wont see but a meager token offering from this imposed fine. 2. Even IF Intel relents on their backroom deals with major OEM's that does not fix AMD's poor marketing and sales problems. If they do actually absorb a grand chunk of market at the end of this ( I highly doubt it but it is possible down the road) they also have to be able to fulfill orders on time and adhere to product release dates. They have been their own worse enemy in spite of Intel and their monopolistic tactics.
 

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The EU would fine a maximum percentage of 10% if it needed the money for these so called deficiets. This is proven to be false exactly by the fact that they only fining a total of about 3.8% which suggestes a genuine fine instead of your proposed harasment of Intel.

And what would you possible have to say to Obama to make him consider talking to the EU, one of your country's main trading parterns over a measily 1.45 billion and ruining relations with their trade commision, thats just greedy and helps the world economy in no way.
 

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[citation][nom]b33fcak3[/nom]The EU would fine a maximum percentage of 10% if it needed the money for these so called deficiets. This is proven to be false exactly by the fact that they only fining a total of about 3.8% which suggestes a genuine fine instead of your proposed harasment of Intel.And what would you possible have to say to Obama to make him consider talking to the EU, one of your country's main trading parterns over a measily 1.45 billion and ruining relations with their trade commision, thats just greedy and helps the world economy in no way.[/citation]

You can call it a "measly $1.45 billion", but do you know what that means in the states? It means jobs, lots of them. It means expansion to create more jobs, lots of expansion. Of course they wouldn't even try to get the 10% because they know they wouldn't get it without getting booed away by or make international news frontpage headlines over it. Not to mention that this fine is only targeting Intel for their money to go toward some foriegn government that is claiming, "they're being bad to AMD, so give *us* money" which makes just as much sense as little johnny taking little jimmy's lunch money and johnny having to pay his teacher a fine. This is all ridiculous
 

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Hopefully, EU start being more fair about it's practices on Anti-Trust and go after Apple too.

Second thought, how did this case take so friggin long? When this case started, AMD had the best processors. Now, AMD's best isn't even close to Intel's best.
 

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[citation][nom]MountainFlip[/nom]When the EU fines Intel, who is Intel actually paying the fine to?[/citation]

That is the issue is it not?

If the EU is saying that Intel has wronged AMD and imposed a $1.45 bil fine on Intel why shouldn't AMD get the money? What did the EU loose during Intel's monopolization? If their claim is AMD was treated unfairly in the market and lost sales due to this why is AMD not going to see any of the $1.45 bil?

We all know what happens in these types of cases. We see it all the time here in the US. Fine the tobacco industry...does the cancer laden individuals see any of the money? No. It goes to the state. Fine the car industry for unsafe manufacturing which caused accidents and deaths...do the survivors or families receive anything? No. It goes to the state. Fine any major corporation and not a single dollar will ever make it to the hands of the true victims of the offense. This is nothing more than a transfer of wealth. It happens daily in America, so often it is as common and seeing the sunrise and set during the course of a day.
 

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They make 4 billion profit and this year they see there billion dollars go down a bit. They won't get more jobs from that money.

Yes, it's nice, but it's only 0.6% of the EU's total spendings, so even if it helps, it in no way solves any big EU problems to pay things.

There are rules. If you can't fine someone who doesn't play by the rules, what can you do? Even if AMD killed itself, that's no reason why Intel can just ignore the rules. They didn't follow the rules that aren't only European rules, but are also in other countries in effect.

AMD had superior products, yet until very late no one touched them. You can call it bad marketing, but if you consider that Intel is a very dominant player on the CPU market, he is not allowed to give discounts for exclusivity. It's one of the rules they have to follow. The EU has proof that Intel made these deals, where they would virtually move AMD from the market, the best marketing strat won't win if your best offer is an unknown name (Intel Pentium meant PC in that time) and better price/quality, while Intel sells his products at a loss to keep you out of the market with exclusive deals.

AMD can now start a case in the EU against Intel and ask for compensation and it will be easier for them to proof their case.

So if we add it all up, if Intel doesn't like the fine, they shouldn't have cheated. They still made billions more than this fine anyway with their tactic and made AMD weaker now.
 

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Dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.
Nothing will change, it will all go back to business as usual.

I'm amazed how still people can't see the facts as they are.
If Intel can kick their competitors in the balls, it's us who feel the pain in the end.
Once these competitors being eliminated from the market, intel would rise the prices for cpus, and what do we get? Fewer choices for all of us, and a higher price tag for Intel fanboys.
 
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