Question Intel i5-9600K or AMD Ryzen 5 3600?

[R3indeer]

Hi all,

As titles mentioned, what do people think - Intel i5-9600K with a Z390 motherboard or AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with the X570?

I'm looking for a mid range, future proofed build. Casual gaming and browsing etc, not planning to stream, overclock and all that.

Thanks!

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Still not worth the money. Its not going to be an issue with newer bios revisions,

 

[RodroX]

@Flayed
Well, you did wrote "...to mitigate against getting the worst grade silicon 3600 from the wafer which requires 1.5v to run stable", never talk about " a few posts" you read or saw in that one.

Anyways, in the begining it was all a mess. People getting higher vcore usage while on idle, people mistaking idle with opening tabs on a browser or watching youtube video (thats not idle), Ryzen cpus ramping up to max single core speed for using google or opening a folder, CPU cooler going up and down all the time, high temps, etc.

Basically like with every single new hardware launch (specially CPUs) for the new/first adopters. And the media (some of them) and the social networks didn't help, they only made things worst.

Once AMD and the Mohterboard vendors released the first Microcode, BIOS updates and Drivers things started to get on track and a month and half later it was all fixed.

AMD still working on a new AGESA update (1004), which motherboard vendors already have so a new BIOS update should be on the streets soon (Wonder what we will get from it?).

 

[Flayed]

@Flayed
Well, you did wrote "...to mitigate against getting the worst grade silicon 3600 from the wafer which requires 1.5v to run stable", never talk about " a few posts" you read or saw in that one.

Anyways, in the begining it was all a mess. People getting higher vcore usage while on idle, people mistaking idle with opening tabs on a browser or watching youtube video (thats not idle), Ryzen cpus ramping up to max single core speed for using google or opening a folder, CPU cooler going up and down all the time, high temps, etc.

Basically like with every single new hardware launch (specially CPUs) for the new/first adopters. And the media (some of them) and the social networks didn't help, they only make things worst.

Once AMD and the Mohterboard vendors released the first Microcode, BIOS updates and Drivers thigns started to get on track and a month and half later it was all fixed.

AMD still working on a new AGESA update (1004), which motherboard vendors already have so a new BIOS update should be on the streets soon (Wonder what we will get from it?).

True I didn't explain what I meant particularly well in that post. I hope at some point we will see retailers offering nice discounts on the Ryzen 3 models that aren't great value at RRP such as the 3600X and 3800X

 

[R3indeer]

Avoid GSync. Get a FreeSync monitor. Nvidia has finally faced reality, and all their 10-, 16-, and 20- series GPUs support FreeSync now.

What resolution at 144Hz are you looking toward? I believe that the decision on the GPU and Monitor are inextricably tied together.

Planning on getting the AMD Ryzen 5 3600, with the RTX 2060 Super.
Frankly, I don't really know much about the resolution/hz or what my set up can achieve, any idea what sort of resolution will work best? Also, maybe not 144hz, just something a tad higher than the current 60hz i have.

 

[SgtScream]

Even if your system is slightly under achieving FPS to match 144hz refresh rate at 2560x1440p resolution it would still be worth it. The monitor is something you invest in for multiple build iterations and future upgrades will be there to improve performance.

 

[King_V]

Well, I'm a fan of 21:9 (ultrawide), so, I'd recommend something like a 2560x1080. The 2060, if I were to guess, could probably do about 80-ish or so FPS on modern games with high details at that resolution.

Others may have different recommendations.

 

[logainofhades]

Those 1.5v, that you have seen, are probably due to motherboard manufacturers overvolting things, by default. Asus, in particular, is bad about this.

 

[R3indeer]

Thank you very much you guys, you've been amazing with all the comments and suggestions. Honestly, very grateful for your time

 

[R3indeer]

The 3600x comes with a better cooler and is clocked slightly higher. Multiple reviewers have stated it is not worth the extra money over the 3600.

The best motherboards depend on your budget.

If the budget is low, an MSI B450 max motherboard will work out of the box.

If the budget is higher, i would go for an ASRock x570 phantom gaming 4 is a decent but lower end x570 board.

The max id spend on a board for a 3600 would be the gigabyte x570 aorus elite. Very good power delivery.

Avoid cheap MSI x570. Very poor power delivery and the cheaper asrock is better.

@NightHawkRMX Thanks for this - since I got swayed to go for the R5 3600, I need to redo my MB research now haha.

I'm wondering, which MB would you recommend I go for with the R5 3600 (probs around the 200£/USD mark like you suggested)? I'd need WiFi, and I believe it's cheaper to get it on the MB than a separate adapter.

I've been looking at the X570 Phantom Gaming 4 WiFi or the AORUS X570 Pro WiFi, but there seems to be a problem with stocks - none had the ATX available, only mini-ITX.

Ones I could find are like the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) or the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX, but wondering if there's a better/cheaper/more efficient one for the 3600 I'm getting.

Appreciate any suggestions/comments/advice.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Ones I could find are like the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) or the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX, but wondering if there's a better/cheaper/more efficient one for the 3600 I'm getting.

Those are the cheapest ones with wifi on PCpart picker.

@NightHawkRMX Thanks for this - since I got swayed to go for the R5 3600, I need to redo my MB research now haha.
I'd need WiFi, and I believe it's cheaper to get it on the MB than a separate adapter.

It doesn't seem to be in the UK, so I would go with a board without wifi and add a card.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard | £154.40 @ Alza
Wireless Network Adapter | TP-Link Archer T4E PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter | £27.44 @ Box Limited
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £181.84
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-30 00:26 GMT+0000 |
Decent motherboard (Way more than needed for even an overclocked 3600) and a decent dual band wifi adapter.

 

[R3indeer]

Hi all, here's my new finished configuration.

Wondering if anyone has anything to add/say about it, any major issues that I've not spotted perhaps? PC part picker says there might be an issue with my Cryorig H7 on the Tomahawk, so I'm keen to hear from anyone about that.
Many thanks in advance!

[PCPartPicker Part List](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/V7TdXv)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | [AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) | £172.38 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler | [CRYORIG H7 49 CFM CPU Cooler](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7) | £28.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk
Motherboard | [MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...awk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max) | £96.68 @ CCL Computers
Memory | [Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...b-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmw16gx4m2c3200c16) | £72.78 @ Aria PC
Storage | [Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/N7zkcf/sabrent-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-sb-rocket-1tb) | £109.99 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | [Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...-gb-windforce-oc-video-card-gv-n206swf2oc-8gd) | £367.93 @ More Computers
Case | [NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/b7hmP6/nzxt-h510-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-h510b-b1) | £72.17 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply | [Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na) | £69.98 @ Amazon UK
Wireless Network Adapter | [Gigabyte GC-WB1733D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/j9m323/gigabyte-gc-wb1733d-i-none-wi-fi-adapter-gc-wb1733d-i) | £24.38 @ CCL Computers
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £1015.28

 

[SgtScream]

PC Part picker is stating that the above cpu cooler may not have am4 brackets. You could use the Scythe Mugen which is arguably the best in it's price category:

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£172.38 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£42.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£96.68 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£72.78 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (£367.93 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.17 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£69.98 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB1733D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£24.38 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1029.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-04 18:48 GMT+0000

 

[R3indeer]

Ahh right ok. Thanks! The rest of the components should all work well together right? Any comments?

 

[SgtScream]

Ahh right ok. Thanks! The rest of the components should all work well together right? Any comments?

Are you comfortable with using the bios flash back feature? You may have to update the bios using it, in order to get your system to post. Other than that, you're good to go!

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Its a tomahawk MAX, the version that works with Ryzen 3rd gen out of the box without bios flashback needed.

 

[logainofhades]

Personally, I would avoid B450, with 3rd gen Ryzen.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£172.38 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX GT 29.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£149.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£63.22 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£96.20 @ More Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB RAW II Video Card (£367.53 @ Amazon UK)
Case: RIOTORO CR400 ATX Mid Tower Case (£45.61 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£69.98 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB1733D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£24.38 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1024.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-04 19:39 GMT+0000

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The x570 a pro is a rather poor x570 mobo tho.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The x570 a pro is a rather poor x570 mobo tho.

 

[SgtScream]

I'd stick with the b450 max or wait until the b550 series boards come out. They will be pci-e gen 3.0 without the chipset fan.

 

[RodroX]

The x570 a pro is a rather poor x570 mobo tho.

I do agree with NightHawkRMX, been the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS or TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) the better and cheapest option according to many reviews.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0vmGHbwx1M

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMRUhtMs9Ok

 

[logainofhades]

The x570 a pro is a rather poor x570 mobo tho.

If you are wanting to run a 3900x, it isn't ideal, but for a 65w 3600, or 3700x it is fine. My understand is that even the Max line of boards, are exactly great, with Ryzen 3000, stability wise.

 

[Flayed]

Ahh right ok. Thanks! The rest of the components should all work well together right? Any comments?

I am thinking the B550 must be released soon so would be a shame to buy a B450 just before

 

[R3indeer]

I am thinking the B550 must be released soon so would be a shame to buy a B450 just before

Yeah, that's my concern exactly! But most reports suggests it would only be available next year onwards... And I kind of wanna make sure of the RTX promo and get COD for free with it now, it ends soon.

@RodroX Yeah,the Asus TUF X570 was my second choice, crazy good reviews about it. Just went for the b450 max instead cause of the cost really, considering I'm only running a 3600, so not really a need to have the x570.

Apparently the MSI X570s are not great at all, the cheaper ones at least.

 

[Flayed]

Yeah, that's my concern exactly! But most reports suggests it would only be available next year onwards... And I kind of wanna make sure of the RTX promo and get COD for free with it now, it ends soon.

@RodroX Yeah,the Asus TUF X570 was my second choice, crazy good reviews about it. Just went for the b450 max instead cause of the cost really, considering I'm only running a 3600, so not really a need to have the x570.

Apparently the MSI X570s are not great at all, the cheaper ones at least.

Next year hmm not sure I can wait that long