Question Intel i7 13700k @ 4.91 ghz with 100% usage

[shad0wboss]

Hey guys

Is it normal to have the CPU clocked at 4.91 ghz at 100% usage in task manager. I thought the turbo boost goes up to 5.4 ghz. Also in the monitoring the usage dips a little for a second then goes up to 100% however during that dip, the max clock goes above 5 ghz. How does this work? Can we say it is throttling? I have a gigabyte waterforce 360 aio so technically shouldn't be throttling right? Everything is at stock as well.

 

[Nighthawk117]

Hey guys

Is it normal to have the CPU clocked at 4.91 ghz at 100% usage in task manager. I thought the turbo boost goes up to 5.4 ghz. Also in the monitoring the usage dips a little for a second then goes up to 100% however during that dip, the max clock goes above 5 ghz. How does this work? Can we say it is throttling? I have a gigabyte waterforce 360 aio so technically shouldn't be throttling right? Everything is at stock as well.

5.4Ghz is the max turbo boost on a single core, the all core will be slightly lower. 4.9Ghz does seem a little on the low side, are you sure your not looking at the load frequency of the E cores as that's around 4.9Ghz:

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Do you have something like hardware monitor so you can see the value of each P core when under a full load? What are your temperatures like, these are very hot CPU's?

 

[shad0wboss]

5.4Ghz is the max turbo boost on a single core, the all core will be slightly lower. 4.9Ghz does seem a little on the low side, are you sure your not looking at the load frequency of the E cores as that's around 4.9Ghz:

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Do you have something like hardware monitor so you can see the value of each P core when under a full load? What are your temperatures like, these are very hot CPU's?

The temps were around 76°c. Is there a test that i can run to see how it would look under max stress? And how can i record the findings so i can share them here?

 

[Nighthawk117]

The temps were around 76°c. Is there a test that i can run to see how it would look under max stress? And how can i record the findings so i can share them here?

76C sounds ok, to test your all core boost frequencies, I would use Cinebench R23:

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I would leave HWMonitor open in the background (run as administrator), after Cinebench has been running a few minutes, take a screenshot of the 'clocks' section in HWMonitor and post it here. If you don't use HWMonitor it can be found here:

HWMonitor

HWMonitor is a hardware monitoring program that reads PC systems main health sensors: voltages, temperatures, fans speed.

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If you have an alternative that shows the individual core clocks then that's fine too.

I use https://imgur.com/ to share images on here myself.

 

[shad0wboss]

Cinebench R23

Here are the results. I think I probably read the wrong readings but CPU is going up to 89° which makes me feel mad because i thought Gigabyte Waterforce 360 is a good cooler as reviews have said the same about it. I am not sure why it is getting very close to 90°c. Also everywhere I am seeing that the cinebench R23 multicore score is 31k but i only got 29k. What can this mean?

What can i do?

 

[Nighthawk117]

Here are the results. I think I probably read the wrong readings but CPU is going up to 89° which makes me feel mad because i thought Gigabyte Waterforce 360 is a good cooler as reviews have said the same about it. I am not sure why it is getting very close to 90°c. Also everywhere I am seeing that the cinebench R23 multicore score is 31k but i only got 29k. What can this mean?

What can i do?

It is a good cooler, it's just these CPU's are extremely hot. If you want lower temps your options are to turn up the fan speed and/or undervolt the CPU. In terms of the results, clearly all of the P core's hit 5.3Ghz which is good, what I was after though was the frequencies while the benchmark was still running. The Max column tells you the max speed each core hit, what we want to know is what frequency they hit at the same time when every core is loaded. So run the benchmark and take a screen shot again. What you want to see is 5.3Ghz in the Value column for all P - cores.

Yes your score is a tiny bit lower, that could because your CPU is running at a slightly lower clock rate, or it could be just because you've got more on your machine. Reviewers use clean test benches, I've always got slightly lower than reviews myself simply because I have more on my system. I believe 13th gen throttles at 100C so that shouldn't be the cause.

 

[shad0wboss]

It is a good cooler, it's just these CPU's are extremely hot. If you want lower temps your options are to turn up the fan speed and/or undervolt the CPU. In terms of the results, clearly all of the P core's hit 5.3Ghz which is good, what I was after though was the frequencies while the benchmark was still running. The Max column tells you the max speed each core hit, what we want to know is what frequency they hit at the same time when every core is loaded. So run the benchmark and take a screen shot again. What you want to see is 5.3Ghz in the Value column for all P - cores.

Yes your score is a tiny bit lower, that could because your CPU is running at a slightly lower clock rate, or it could be just because you've got more on your machine. Reviewers use clean test benches, I've always got slightly lower than reviews myself simply because I have more on my system. I believe 13th gen throttles at 100C so that shouldn't be the cause.

I don't have anything running in background except for perhaps windows defender and gigabyte software. Here is the benchmark. It seems like all P-cores are at 5.3 ghz and occasionally P4 and P5 goes to 5.4 ghz. I might try undervolting. Do you know a guide or perhaps ideal values that have been tested and may be recommended for i7 13700k?

Also i noticed that under Powers, i see the max value to be 209w. Isn't that lower than the max turbo power of 253w?

 

[Nighthawk117]

I don't have anything running in background except for perhaps windows defender and gigabyte software. Here is the benchmark. It seems like all P-cores are at 5.3 ghz and occasionally P4 and P5 goes to 5.4 ghz. I might try undervolting. Do you know a guide or perhaps ideal values that have been tested and may be recommended for i7 13700k?

Also i noticed that under Powers, i see the max value to be 209w. Isn't that lower than the max turbo power of 253w?

There are numerous reasons why your score may be a tiny bit lower than what the reviews have, your score will also fluctuate slightly as well. However the clock speeds of both the P cores and E cores look fine to me, 29k is also roughly in the ballpark of what you should expect.

I don't have a 13700K personally so I haven't had experience with this particular CPU or know a specific guide or values to recommend. However I have undervolted my 10850K, the process would be similar for both CPU's.

While there are multiple ways of doing it my personal preference is to leave everything as it is and apply a negative voltage offset. What this does is it allows the motherboard/CPU to determine the appropriate voltage and then reduces that figure with a fixed offset. So for example, if in Cinebench the motherboard determines a core voltage of 1.3v and I have a negative offset of -0.1v then the final voltage will be 1.2v.

The benefit of doing it like this is that the CPU clocks and voltage can vary as normal and all power saving features remain intact.

I posted on the below thread a while ago to assist someone with a 12700K, you may find it helpful:

[SOLVED] - I7-12700k running hot ?

Hi guys first time post here so bare with me. First illl start with Specs CPU - i7-12700k MBO - MAG Z690 Tomahawk Wifi DDR4 Cooler - Noctua NH-D15 (duel fan) GPU - 4070ti Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow Fan Config is 3 intake at front 2 exhaust top 1 exhaust back Now most of the specs are out of...

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There's also a video on their by JayZTwoCents on undervolting which is worth watching.

I would recommend starting with something small like -10mv (-0.01v) and then gradually increase it. I probably wouldn't go over -100mv (-0.1v) though I've seen posts where some people have. If you pursue this though you must make sure you are applying a negative offset and not a positive one, otherwise you will end up increasing the voltage which could damage the CPU.

As for your 209W, not all workloads are created equal, you can have two workloads that push the CPU to 100% but draw different levels of power. Prime 95 will push it well beyond 209W (I don't recommend running it). However I find Cinebench R23 a more accurate reflection of real world use.

 

[shad0wboss]

There are numerous reasons why your score may be a tiny bit lower than what the reviews have, your score will also fluctuate slightly as well. However the clock speeds of both the P cores and E cores look fine to me, 29k is also roughly in the ballpark of what you should expect.

I don't have a 13700K personally so I haven't had experience with this particular CPU or know a specific guide or values to recommend. However I have undervolted my 10850K, the process would be similar for both CPU's.

While there are multiple ways of doing it my personal preference is to leave everything as it is and apply a negative voltage offset. What this does is it allows the motherboard/CPU to determine the appropriate voltage and then reduces that figure with a fixed offset. So for example, if in Cinebench the motherboard determines a core voltage of 1.3v and I have a negative offset of -0.1v then the final voltage will be 1.2v.

The benefit of doing it like this is that the CPU clocks and voltage can vary as normal and all power saving features remain intact.

I posted on the below thread a while ago to assist someone with a 12700K, you may find it helpful:

[SOLVED] - I7-12700k running hot ?

Hi guys first time post here so bare with me. First illl start with Specs CPU - i7-12700k MBO - MAG Z690 Tomahawk Wifi DDR4 Cooler - Noctua NH-D15 (duel fan) GPU - 4070ti Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow Fan Config is 3 intake at front 2 exhaust top 1 exhaust back Now most of the specs are out of...

forums.tomshardware.com

There's also a video on their by JayZTwoCents on undervolting which is worth watching.

I would recommend starting with something small like -10mv (-0.01v) and then gradually increase it. I probably wouldn't go over -100mv (-0.1v) though I've seen posts where some people have. If you pursue this though you must make sure you are applying a negative offset and not a positive one, otherwise you will end up increasing the voltage which could damage the CPU.

As for your 209W, not all workloads are created equal, you can have two workloads that push the CPU to 100% but draw different levels of power. Prime 95 will push it well beyond 209W (I don't recommend running it). However I find Cinebench R23 a more accurate reflection of real world use.

I did not understand whether to use voltage offset or core voltage values in intel extreme tuning for example.

 

[Nighthawk117]

I did not understand whether to use voltage offset or core voltage values in intel extreme tuning for example.

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Core Voltage is vcore, you shouldn't need to touch this. Just the voltage offset, full disclosure, I don't use Intel XTU, I set mine up in the bios. XTU I think is less hassle for testing things out though.

 

[Zerk2012]

Here are the results. I think I probably read the wrong readings but CPU is going up to 89° which makes me feel mad because i thought Gigabyte Waterforce 360 is a good cooler as reviews have said the same about it. I am not sure why it is getting very close to 90°c. Also everywhere I am seeing that the cinebench R23 multicore score is 31k but i only got 29k. What can this mean?

What can i do?

All of that looks normal to me R23 puts pretty much a unrealistic load on your processor you would probably never see those temps under normal use.