News Intel Ice Lake Xeon W to Challenge AMD Threadripper With 38 Cores

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ThreadRipper Pro NEEDs the cache to mitigate its high inter-die communication latency. Ice Lakes latency should be order of magnitude lower due to it being monolithic. So it DOESN'T NEED high cache size to achieve similar or better performance.
 

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The "exciting thing" cough about the current AMD/Intel CPU situation is that it almost always involves currently shipping AMD CPUs placed in competition with future-shipping, er-ah...make that "possibly future-shipping" Intel CPUs cough It's the great "hardware versus vaporware" match up....;)
 

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ThreadRipper Pro NEEDs the cache to mitigate its high inter-die communication latency. Ice Lakes latency should be order of magnitude lower due to it being monolithic. So it DOESN'T NEED high cache size to achieve similar or better performance.
...And that is also being partially mitigated with Zen 3 architecture. Someone else did a benchmark late last year when it first came out.

For workloads needing no more than 8 cores, at least.

Just like the old wisdom that AMD processors run hotter than Intel for less go, I doubt whether AMD is ever going to live that down.
 
The "exciting thing" cough about the current AMD/Intel CPU situation is that it almost always involves currently shipping AMD CPUs placed in competition with future-shipping, er-ah...make that "possibly future-shipping" Intel CPUs cough It's the great "hardware versus vaporware" match up....;)
Funnily enough AMD is the one that has to use technology that hasn't matured enough yet to get an leg up against intel causing them to never have enough CPUs available for any serious customer to prefer them as a provider.
It's intel's hardware that is always available at high enough numbers and AMD sampling future tech that they might be able to ship in high enough numbers sometime in the future.
 

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Funnily enough AMD is the one that has to use technology that hasn't matured enough yet to get an leg up against intel causing them to never have enough CPUs available for any serious customer to prefer them as a provider.
It's intel's hardware that is always available at high enough numbers and AMD sampling future tech that they might be able to ship in high enough numbers sometime in the future.
Thought most of that is currently due to them being fabless during a global semiconductor shortage, but good point.

They still do provide credible competition, though - And that's probably good for all involved in the end.
 
Thought most of that is currently due to them being fabless during a global semiconductor shortage, but good point.

They still do provide credible competition, though - And that's probably good for all involved in the end.
AMD has ben fabless for more than a decade now, the whole FX series was done by global foundries that does not belong to AMD since 2009.

Also the pandemic didn't make TSMC produce less wafers, it's just that the specific nm wafers are a small percentage of what tsmc makes and they are sought after by plenty of companies.
So even without the pandemic AMD wouldn't be able to get their hands on more wafers.
Hence the whole immature bit, it's not wide spread available.
 

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AMD has ben fabless for more than a decade now, the whole FX series was done by global foundries that does not belong to AMD since 2009.

Also the pandemic didn't make TSMC produce less wafers, it's just that the specific nm wafers are a small percentage of what tsmc makes and they are sought after by plenty of companies.
So even without the pandemic AMD wouldn't be able to get their hands on more wafers.
Hence the whole immature bit, it's not wide spread available.
Absolutely. Intel has their own manufacturing inhouse, even if it is half a process node behind. Sure is more resilent in a supply and demand shock like this.
 
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Zen 3 Threadripper coming in August. That will be the competition, not existing Threadripper on Zen 2.
And I believe in the tooth fairy, too. Chagall is an artist. Artist names go on APUs. Threadripper APU? Wake me when AMD gets the 7NM node under control. They can't fill their higher-clocked EPYC processor orders as it is. Good luck on them managing even higher clocks for HEDT parts

But hey... I might get a few coins under my pillow tonight.
 

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