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Much like the high end AMD chips - this isn't where the market is and very few people need it. Nonetheless, the fanboys on both sides will gear up with narratives about how efficiency is now more important that capability, or power is more important than efficiency.

Meanwhile, millions of sensible gamers will buy a processor like the 13400/7600 that's £200, meets their needs, plays everything at a realistic refresh rate for the next few years and never look at this again, before doing the same thing in three years time.

Instead of yapping about what £600+ processor with a gazillion scores can hit what clock speed, I'd much rather see articles on how millions of productivity users and gamers can get the best bang for buck over the next three years and with what hardware combos.
 
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This CPU will be fast for games with a somewhat manageable power draw, but heavily threaded workloads... Holy cow... You'll need all the tricks in the cooling book (check der8auer how he got a 13900K to 6.1Ghz) to make it work reasonably temps-wise.

I guess the only caveat from the Intel fanguard is undervolting, but... Isn't this a "golden sample" ad undervolting should be moot, no? Also, lowering the TDP of this also seems moot and counterproductive, no? If you buy this CPU for games alone, then I'll have to question your sanity given the performance differences with lower priced SKUs.

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-Fran- said:
This CPU will be fast for games with a somewhat manageable power draw, but heavily threaded workloads... Holy cow... You'll need all the tricks in the cooling book (check der8auer how he got a 13900K to 6.1Ghz) to make it work reasonably temps-wise.

I guess the only caveat from the Intel fanguard is undervolting, but... Isn't this a "golden sample" ad undervolting should be moot, no? Also, lowering the TDP of this also seems moot and counterproductive, no? If you buy this CPU for games alone, then I'll have to question your sanity given the performance differences with lower priced SKUs.

Regards.
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Yea, this is just Intel flexing BS, they gonna make a bunch of money selling it to XOC peeps and have ppl write about how their CPU can get close to 6.0 GHz for a few seconds.
 
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Meanwhile, millions of sensible gamers will buy a processor like the 13400/7600 that's £200, meets their needs, plays everything at a realistic refresh rate for the next few years
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Even an i3 12100 can run almost anything at 60 fps in 1080p. It's a beast of a CPU.

The number of games actually needing faster hardware is dwindling fast. Most developers have no desire to spend hundreds of thousands of $ on motion capture, 4k textures and raytracing stupid puddles of water.
 
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-Fran- said:
This CPU will be fast for games with a somewhat manageable power draw, but heavily threaded workloads... Holy cow... You'll need all the tricks in the cooling book (check der8auer how he got a 13900K to 6.1Ghz) to make it work reasonably temps-wise.
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Stock is two cores at 6Ghz...not all of them, so temps will be "fine" .
The non-k hits 86 degrees on 253W ,the KS part will be better binned than that but if it also uses more power it could be a wash or slightly higher.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power-scaling-13900k-7950x/3
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I guess the only caveat from the Intel fanguard is undervolting, but... Isn't this a "golden sample" ad undervolting should be moot, no?
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Yes this will be a binned part and as such will already run at Voltages that other CPUs would have to be undervolted towards.
If it allows for even more undervolting then even better.
 
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Elusive Ruse said:
Yea, this is just Intel flexing BS, they gonna make a bunch of money selling it to XOC peeps and have ppl write about how their CPU can get close to 6.0 GHz for a few seconds.
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This is par for the course! AMD are doing it too with the X3D models. 6ghz is impressive nonetheless.

Edit: I'm just speaking in marketing terms. Not in CPU clock speeds. AMD don't have a CPU hitting that at stock/boost. The X3D models are clocked lower and don't OC well at all.
 
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TerryLaze said:
Stock is two cores at 6Ghz...not all of them, so temps will be "fine" .
The non-k hits 86 degrees on 253W ,the KS part will be better binned than that but if it also uses more power it could be a wash or slightly higher.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power-scaling-13900k-7950x/3
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Yes this will be a binned part and as such will already run at Voltages that other CPUs would have to be undervolted towards.
If it allows for even more undervolting then even better.
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I guess it depends on what you use as a benchmark. Under full rendering load:
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TerryLaze said:
Stock is two cores at 6Ghz...not all of them, so temps will be "fine" .
The non-k hits 86 degrees on 253W ,the KS part will be better binned than that but if it also uses more power it could be a wash or slightly higher.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power-scaling-13900k-7950x/3
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Yes this will be a binned part and as such will already run at Voltages that other CPUs would have to be undervolted towards.
If it allows for even more undervolting then even better.
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The 13900KS enables a new higher ceiling though: 320W. I'd imagine that is still OC given the way it is called, but at 253W, this CPU has no reason for existing at all. It does raise the floor to 150W as well, so I'd imagine that is to allow 1 core to reach 6Ghz... A full 25W* extra for 1/2 cores to reach 6Ghz... Savage.

The finer details of this CPU look really "all dials to 11". That's impressive in both a cool and horrible way XD

Regards.
 
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The 13900KS enables a new higher ceiling though: 320W. I'd imagine that is still OC given the way it is called, but at 253W, this CPU has no reason for existing at all. It does raise the floor to 150W as well, so I'd imagine that is to allow 1 core to reach 6Ghz... A full 75W extra for 1/2 cores to reach 6Ghz... Savage.

The finer details of this CPU look really "all dials to 11". That's impressive in both a cool and horrible way XD

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There hasn't been a real ceiling on unlocked Intel chips for a decade. 4096w is just a common placeholder because the vrms/cooling would give out first.
And there are no extra watts to take 2 cores up to 6 ghz. 0. In a 2 core load the chip will use 100w, maybe. The all core load clocks are still the same so it is just a higher binned chip with boosted power limit for slightly better all core performance while being benched at "stock" by reviewers.

It is better binned though and TVB+2 should take it to 6.2 ghz for what that's worth.
 
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The thing is it won't run at 300W all the time unless all you do is Cinebench all day, every day. The idle power draw will be under 10W like all other Raptor Lake CPUs which is almost one-fifth of the competition.

Source: https://youtu.be/JHWxAdKK4Xg?t=264
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Yeah, I get that already. The point being, is it can draw that much power, and good cooling will be essential for when it does. Otherwise it will throttle!
 
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As was the case when AMD beat Intel to1 GHz. with the Athlon CPU, Intel has just overclocked their i9-13900K CPU with massive electrical consumption to try and keep pace with AMD's superior CPU design. The over-volted Pentium III CPUs regularly overheated even with huge heatsinks. Intel eventually had to stop selling them.

SOS, DD from Intel.

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It's official: AMD hits 1,000MHz first

Sorry Intel. AMD has hit the 1GHz mark first with its Athlon processor for desktop PCs. The 1GHz Athlon will be available in systems from Compaq and Gateway, among others.
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Explain how the E cores are "just garbage"? This thing will beat both 7950X and 7950X3D in every multi-threaded and professional workload. Do you think that is only using the 8 "full speed cores"?
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I just respond to this with "P cores are big cores, Zen cores are middle cores and E cores are little cores. Why is the cutoff for good cores at middle cores and not big cores? Why is there a cutoff at all if they all contribute?"
 
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There hasn't been a real ceiling on unlocked Intel chips for a decade. 4096w is just a common placeholder because the vrms/cooling would give out first.
And there are no extra watts to take 2 cores up to 6 ghz. 0. In a 2 core load the chip will use 100w, maybe. The all core load clocks are still the same so it is just a higher binned chip with boosted power limit for slightly better all core performance while being benched at "stock" by reviewers.

It is better binned though and TVB+2 should take it to 6.2 ghz for what that's worth.
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That was in the context of the response from Terry. He advocates for "no unlimited/unrestricted tests". I just mention that in the context that Intel just enabled, officially, a new power level/state for the KS, so the 320W may be the new ceiling. It's probably an OC mode, but less weird/extreme than the 4096W limit.

And at least the sample HardwareUnboxed reviewed, it did not get to 6Ghz with the most beastly cooling solution plus ILM frame mod to lower temps so it boosts even higher. I don't know what to tell you, but it seems it'll reach 6Ghz under very specific conditions. And the floor power increase is real anyway.

Regards.
 
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