News Intel lays the groundwork for Xe3 Celestial graphics — Panther Lake CPU enablement in Linux has begun

[Admin]

Intel engineers have been spotted working on Linux drivers for the Xe3 graphics architecture.

Intel lays the groundwork for Xe3 Celestial graphics — Panther Lake CPU enablement in Linux has begun : Read more

 

[dwd999]

Intel's GPUs would be especially welcome if their drivers cause fewer BSODs than those other companies drivers.

 

[thestryker]

At the rate things are going I can't help but wonder if Battlemage is even going to wind up in discrete cards. It's been clear for a while now that Celestial was going to be the basis for the IGP on PTL which is likely late 2025 release. Unless Intel is planning a surprise Battlemage launch by the end of November I just don't see the it making a lot of sense. The only way I see it making sense later is if the performance per area has significantly increased and they have something like 4070/7800 XT level of performance they can sell for $250-300. It's the sort of splash the discrete video card market needs, but just seems very unlikely.

 

[P.Amini]

Although Intel’s GPUs are still a long way from Nvidia’s and, to some extent, AMD’s top offerings, we know that it will take the company several years, maybe even several decades, before it can offer a high-end GPU that will compete against something like the RTX 4090 ...

Most people can't / don't want to buy those highest end graphics cards and won't spend more than $500 - $600 on a VGA.

 

[Mama Changa]

This announcement is pointless. They did the same thing for Lunar Lake, and it's iGPU performance on Linux is still currently a joke, despite releasing drivers very early.

 

[das_stig]

A lot of devices don't need the horsepower of NV or AMD GPU's, Intel GPUs are known for low power, just good enough for daily work, stability and costs. Thats attractive to both manufacturers and users.

 

[Notton]

Yeah, I just want a budget, power efficient, AV1 decode/encode GPU for my repurposed PC that I no longer use for gaming.

 

[jlake3]

A lot of devices don't need the horsepower of NV or AMD GPU's, Intel GPUs are known for low power, just good enough for daily work, stability and costs. Thats attractive to both manufacturers and users.

Intel’s integrated graphics certainly are known for that, but I’m not sure how much of a market there is for “just good enough for daily work” discrete graphics. Even if it’s cheap a dGPU is still an added cost, and Intel’s iGPUs support up to four monitors. Most DIY motherboards might not have that many ports, but Dell sells Optiplexs that do.

 

[Eximo]

I use an A380 for general desktop use in Linux. Works fine for browsing, video playback, and the like.

$300 is a very optimistic price for 4070 like performance out of Battlemage. A770 sits around $270-300, and that is after years of sales and price drops. (Launched at $350 based on relative performance) If they get anywhere near 4070/4070 Super territory, they will charge $500 at least. 4070 is available at $500 right now, that probably won't last. 7900 GRE is $530.

 

[DS426]

Most people can't / don't want to buy those highest end graphics cards and won't spend more than $500 - $600 on a VGA.

Exactly; consumers need more and better-performing GPU's that they can afford, not the small market that exists at the top. Even AMD doesn't care to waste limited resources on the top-end, at least not until they get better, broader developer support.

 

[DS426]

"Intel engineers have been spotted working on Linux drivers for the Xe3 graphics architecture."

And some of those engineers aren't going to be at Intel much longer. :/ The future of Intel graphics doesn't look bright at this time.

 

[das_stig]

Intel’s integrated graphics certainly are known for that, but I’m not sure how much of a market there is for “just good enough for daily work” discrete graphics. Even if it’s cheap a dGPU is still an added cost, and Intel’s iGPUs support up to four monitors. Most DIY motherboards might not have that many ports, but Dell sells Optiplexs that do.

how much of a market there is for “just good enough for daily work” ... ask the likes of Dell, they sell millions to companies, that's the target and the users preferences are not taken into account.

 

[jlake3]

how much of a market there is for “just good enough for daily work” ... ask the likes of Dell, they sell millions to companies, that's the target and the users preferences are not taken into account.

You’re missing the emphasis I put on discrete. Integrated is good enough for daily work for most people, Dell already has multiple models in their business lineup that support triple and even quad monitors off the iGPU, and they likely don’t want to add an assembly step to millions of computers if they don’t have to.

How many systems being sold new need more graphics horsepower than a current Intel iGPU, but wouldn’t benefit from an Nvidia or AMD offering like the RTX 3050 or RX 6600?