News Intel May Be Readying up to 32 Arc Alchemist GPU Models

[Admin]

Intel's new GPU drivers imply on the number of DG2 SKUs.

Intel May Be Readying up to 32 Arc Alchemist GPU Models : Read more

 

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So... possibly 32 more SKUs nobody can buy retail for a reasonable price!

 

[Krotow]

Arc RTX3070 analog most likely will have MSRP around 600$, but in reality will be priced 2 times above that. And 3 times above that in Europe.

 

[TerryLaze]

It might also be just planning ahead for the next 2-3 generations.

 

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It might also be just planning ahead for the next 2-3 generations.

To me, it seems improbable that Intel would lump next-gen hardware with a block of old-gen PCI IDs.

Between different memory sizes (4/8GB, 6/12GB, 8/16GB, etc.) for a given GPU trim, possibly different VRAM speed grades and other feature trims, it wouldn't be too hard to burn through 32 IDs.

 

[Neilbob]

Only 32?

They must be limiting the product segmentation for their GPUs

 

[dk382]

It would be helpful to mention how many Ampere and RDNA2 PCI IDs there are. A lot of people may take the wrong thing away from this story.

 

[Chung Leong]

Just noticed that Intel's vendor id is 8086

 

[Chung Leong]

It would be helpful to mention how many Ampere and RDNA2 PCI IDs there are. A lot of people may take the wrong thing away from this story.

There're 61 Ampere devices, not counting cards with GA100. Quite a few are engineering samples.

2200​	GA102​
2204​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]​
2205​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB]​
2206​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080]​
2208​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti]​
220d​	GA102 [CMP 90HX]​
2216​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Lite Hash Rate]​
222b​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090 Engineering Sample]​
222f​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 11GB / 12GB Engineering Sample]​
2230​	GA102GL [RTX A6000]​
2231​	GA102GL [RTX A5000]​
2235​	GA102GL [A40]​
2236​	GA102GL [A10]​
2237​	GA102GL [A10G]​
223f​	GA102GL​
228b​	GA104 High Definition Audio Controller​
2302​	GA103​
2321​	GA103​
2420​	GA103M [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Mobile]​
2482​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti]​
2483​	GA104​
2484​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070]​
2486​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti]​
2487​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2488​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Lite Hash Rate]​
2489​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Lite Hash Rate]​
248a​	GA104 [CMP 70HX]​
249c​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
249d​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
249f​	GA104M​
24a0​	GA104 [Geforce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU]​
24ac​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 30x0 Engineering Sample]​
24ad​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
24af​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24b0​	GA104GL [RTX A4000]​
24b6​	GA104GLM [RTX A5000 Mobile]​
24b7​	GA104GLM [RTX A4000 Mobile]​
24b8​	GA104GLM [RTX A3000 Mobile]​
24bf​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24dc​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
24dd​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2501​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2503​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2504​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate]​
2505​	GA106​
2520​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2523​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
252f​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
2560​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2563​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
2583​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050]​
25a0​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25a2​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25a4​	GA107​
25a5​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25af​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050 Engineering Sample]​
25b5​	GA107GLM [RTX A4 Mobile]​
25b8​	GA107GLM [RTX A2000 Mobile]​
25e0​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25e2​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25e5​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​

 

[guru7of9]

Yep only 32 !
Probly only 4 actual different chips, but as per always can make 32 out of 4 !

 

[gargoylenest]

with the gpu shortage, there is no real possibility of them to fail, even is their product was total garbage.

 

[digitalgriffin]

Intel's new GPU drivers imply on the number of DG2 SKUs.

Intel May Be Readying up to 32 Arc Alchemist GPU Models : Read more

If I were to wager, they will only release a few. Probably very 1 perfect yield, and one chopped version to cover defective units of the same die model. The excess models is to confuse competition as to the exact targets.

It's a complex np complete problem based on yields.

You could sell only 100% perfect chips at a high margin. But if only 50% of the chips are perfect that's 50% waste.
You could sell everything that has 1 execution unit more than the next lower chip bin and get 95% yield. But then you lose valuable margin in a more crowded market.
This is where algebra comes in where you draw a graph of lines that represent total yield vs binning x = perfect EU * margin + y = reduced EU * margin where x + y = total usable GPUs./average margin You draw several of these lines to figure out where your maximum margin is based on area under the graph.

Who said algebra wasn't useful?

You could also do a Calculus of the equation as it's a curve based on total usable dies, take the derivative to find the maximum inflection point

 

[lazyabum]

So... possibly 32 more SKUs nobody can buy retail for a reasonable price!

That's right, Intel has said chip shortage will last until the end of 2023. Leaving the current GPU Duopoly in place indefinitely.

 

[lazyabum]

There're 61 Ampere devices, not counting cards with GA100. Quite a few are engineering samples.

2200​	GA102​
2204​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]​
2205​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB]​
2206​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080]​
2208​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti]​
220d​	GA102 [CMP 90HX]​
2216​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Lite Hash Rate]​
222b​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090 Engineering Sample]​
222f​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 11GB / 12GB Engineering Sample]​
2230​	GA102GL [RTX A6000]​
2231​	GA102GL [RTX A5000]​
2235​	GA102GL [A40]​
2236​	GA102GL [A10]​
2237​	GA102GL [A10G]​
223f​	GA102GL​
228b​	GA104 High Definition Audio Controller​
2302​	GA103​
2321​	GA103​
2420​	GA103M [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Mobile]​
2482​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti]​
2483​	GA104​
2484​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070]​
2486​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti]​
2487​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2488​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Lite Hash Rate]​
2489​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Lite Hash Rate]​
248a​	GA104 [CMP 70HX]​
249c​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
249d​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
249f​	GA104M​
24a0​	GA104 [Geforce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU]​
24ac​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 30x0 Engineering Sample]​
24ad​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
24af​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24b0​	GA104GL [RTX A4000]​
24b6​	GA104GLM [RTX A5000 Mobile]​
24b7​	GA104GLM [RTX A4000 Mobile]​
24b8​	GA104GLM [RTX A3000 Mobile]​
24bf​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24dc​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
24dd​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2501​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2503​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2504​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate]​
2505​	GA106​
2520​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2523​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
252f​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
2560​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2563​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
2583​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050]​
25a0​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25a2​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25a4​	GA107​
25a5​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25af​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050 Engineering Sample]​
25b5​	GA107GLM [RTX A4 Mobile]​
25b8​	GA107GLM [RTX A2000 Mobile]​
25e0​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25e2​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25e5​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​

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There're 61 Ampere devices, not counting cards with GA100. Quite a few are engineering samples.

2200​	GA102​
2204​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]​
2205​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB]​
2206​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080]​
2208​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti]​
220d​	GA102 [CMP 90HX]​
2216​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Lite Hash Rate]​
222b​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090 Engineering Sample]​
222f​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 11GB / 12GB Engineering Sample]​
2230​	GA102GL [RTX A6000]​
2231​	GA102GL [RTX A5000]​
2235​	GA102GL [A40]​
2236​	GA102GL [A10]​
2237​	GA102GL [A10G]​
223f​	GA102GL​
228b​	GA104 High Definition Audio Controller​
2302​	GA103​
2321​	GA103​
2420​	GA103M [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Mobile]​
2482​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti]​
2483​	GA104​
2484​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070]​
2486​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti]​
2487​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2488​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Lite Hash Rate]​
2489​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Lite Hash Rate]​
248a​	GA104 [CMP 70HX]​
249c​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
249d​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
249f​	GA104M​
24a0​	GA104 [Geforce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU]​
24ac​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 30x0 Engineering Sample]​
24ad​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
24af​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24b0​	GA104GL [RTX A4000]​
24b6​	GA104GLM [RTX A5000 Mobile]​
24b7​	GA104GLM [RTX A4000 Mobile]​
24b8​	GA104GLM [RTX A3000 Mobile]​
24bf​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24dc​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
24dd​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2501​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2503​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2504​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate]​
2505​	GA106​
2520​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2523​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
252f​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
2560​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2563​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
2583​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050]​
25a0​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25a2​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25a4​	GA107​
25a5​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25af​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050 Engineering Sample]​
25b5​	GA107GLM [RTX A4 Mobile]​
25b8​	GA107GLM [RTX A2000 Mobile]​
25e0​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25e2​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25e5​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​

Not to mention that

There're 61 Ampere devices, not counting cards with GA100. Quite a few are engineering samples.

2200​	GA102​
2204​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]​
2205​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB]​
2206​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080]​
2208​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti]​
220d​	GA102 [CMP 90HX]​
2216​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 Lite Hash Rate]​
222b​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090 Engineering Sample]​
222f​	GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080 11GB / 12GB Engineering Sample]​
2230​	GA102GL [RTX A6000]​
2231​	GA102GL [RTX A5000]​
2235​	GA102GL [A40]​
2236​	GA102GL [A10]​
2237​	GA102GL [A10G]​
223f​	GA102GL​
228b​	GA104 High Definition Audio Controller​
2302​	GA103​
2321​	GA103​
2420​	GA103M [GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Mobile]​
2482​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti]​
2483​	GA104​
2484​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070]​
2486​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti]​
2487​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2488​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Lite Hash Rate]​
2489​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Lite Hash Rate]​
248a​	GA104 [CMP 70HX]​
249c​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
249d​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
249f​	GA104M​
24a0​	GA104 [Geforce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU]​
24ac​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 30x0 Engineering Sample]​
24ad​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
24af​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24b0​	GA104GL [RTX A4000]​
24b6​	GA104GLM [RTX A5000 Mobile]​
24b7​	GA104GLM [RTX A4000 Mobile]​
24b8​	GA104GLM [RTX A3000 Mobile]​
24bf​	GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Engineering Sample]​
24dc​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB]​
24dd​	GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2501​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2503​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]​
2504​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate]​
2505​	GA106​
2520​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2523​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
252f​	GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060 Engineering Sample]​
2560​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q]​
2563​	GA106M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile / Max-Q]​
2583​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050]​
25a0​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25a2​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25a4​	GA107​
25a5​	GA107M [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25af​	GA107 [GeForce RTX 3050 Engineering Sample]​
25b5​	GA107GLM [RTX A4 Mobile]​
25b8​	GA107GLM [RTX A2000 Mobile]​
25e0​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Mobile]​
25e2​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​
25e5​	GA107BM [GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile]​

Not to mention there's as many SKUs for the GTX 1000, RTX 2000 series each including the GTX 1600. Several hundred models for five years down the drain.

 

[kal326]

Between mobile, desktop, and potentially professional series workstation class cards 32 isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. That's like a new Xeon line release number of skus.