News Intel Might Wait for New CEO to Make Outsourcing Decision: Report

waltc3

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I wish Intel luck...but it should never be forgotten that the new CEO had something to do with Itanium--a huge Intel flop that saw the company toss away billions of $ after bad. How much he had to do with it I haven't researched--but it never got off the ground even with Intel giving it away in the end. And the reference to Apple is likely the result of Apple dropping Intel for it's own CPU for what's left of Apple's real computing devices (Company is 90% dependent on cell-phone income.) Yes, Intel will have to do better than AMD as the M1 isn't even a factor today on anyone's radar scope. Internet pundits, as usual, are unduly impressed by a few benchmarks...ah, shades of Larrabee...;)

Edit: wanted to add that for 2021 the news is that AMD has for the first time become TSMC's largest customer, pushing Apple to 2nd place by reserving a larger capacity. So...where does that leave Intel for 2021? Things are really getting interesting. I would not want to explain to my stockholders why my huge, expensive FABs simply cannot compete with TSMC.
 
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There is a place for low power solutions, especially if they are low enough so a fan isn't required. Apple can provide that with their M1 ARM chip, as a benefit of building on TSM 5nm.

However, there is also a place for PCIE4 on the TGL laptop chips ... providing access to the full performance of the fastest new SSDs. Intel is also providing 20 lanes of pcie4 on their announced TGL-H, which will support the same high speed interface on recently announced GPU chips. So, we will see if Apple can compete in that segment... although certainly at a disadvantage if they want to maintain a fanless feature.
 

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Intel demoed an Alder Lake desktop at the end of Bryant's CES demo. The Alder Lake chip will include relatively low power Gracemont cores.

Intel already builds P5900 family chips with up to 24 Tremont cores, which are the predecessor of Gracemont.

I suspect Intel's Alder Lake-P versions will provide configurable options for fanless laptops. Intel's Lakefield, with Sunny Cove and Tremont cores, is already used in fanless products.
 

redgarl

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Apple M1
  • TSMC 5nm
  • ARM uarch
  • 16+ hours of battery life
  • About the same ST performances than Ryzen mobile 5000u
  • About 30% less MT performances compared to Ryzen mobile 4000u
AMD Ryzen mobile 5000u
  • TSMC 7nm
  • x86 uarch
  • 20+ hours of battery life
  • About the same ST performances than M1
  • About 40% better MT performances than M1
Conclusion, x86 is dead! /SARCCASM
 

javiindo

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Apple M1
  • TSMC 5nm
  • ARM uarch
  • 16+ hours of battery life
  • About the same ST performances than Ryzen mobile 5000u
  • About 30% less MT performances compared to Ryzen mobile 4000u
AMD Ryzen mobile 5000u
  • TSMC 7nm
  • x86 uarch
  • 20+ hours of battery life
  • About the same ST performances than M1
  • About 40% better MT performances than M1
Conclusion, x86 is dead! /SARCCASM
There are not reviews yet to compare the new ryzen mobiles. What we know is that apple doesn't even neeed a cooler and AMD is going to need one. With the same battery and same screen I don't see how AMD can beat apple on battery life.
 

javiindo

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There is a place for low power solutions, especially if they are low enough so a fan isn't required. Apple can provide that with their M1 ARM chip, as a benefit of building on TSM 5nm.

However, there is also a place for PCIE4 on the TGL laptop chips ... providing access to the full performance of the fastest new SSDs. Intel is also providing 20 lanes of pcie4 on their announced TGL-H, which will support the same high speed interface on recently announced GPU chips. So, we will see if Apple can compete in that segment... although certainly at a disadvantage if they want to maintain a fanless feature.
In most cases you will not even notice the difference between SDD and NVME. And for gen4 AMD is going gen 3 because gen 4 is consuming too much power. Gen 4 on a laptop it's just marketing.
 

javiindo

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Intel demoed an Alder Lake desktop at the end of Bryant's CES demo. The Alder Lake chip will include relatively low power Gracemont cores.

Intel already builds P5900 family chips with up to 24 Tremont cores, which are the predecessor of Gracemont.

I suspect Intel's Alder Lake-P versions will provide configurable options for fanless laptops. Intel's Lakefield, with Sunny Cove and Tremont cores, is already used in fanless products.
Apparently Windows is not ready for that technology at all. We will see if there is any improvement. And if they want to compete with ARM in energy/power they are going to work a lot.
 

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By producing its own chips in house Intel actually has performance product available for sale in stores. AMD 5k series CPUs and 6k series GPUs in contrast are mostly all thunder in reviews with little lightening actually hitting the ground in stores for sale.
 
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