Intel or amd for more future proof gaming

[Jtfyondaime]

Hi everyone, about a week ago I was building a pc based on some bought parts in the topic. Yet I've sent mobo for some problems it has and they couldn't get me new one so I am thinking of cancelling Intel built which caused by Intel's explanations in computex.

Looks like 1151 chipset will be forgotten in 2 years so my 2000 $ built will be old even it performs well. So I was thinking of returning both Cpu and ram too and go for ryzen.

Intel' s this move shows us that multi core tasking is technology of close future. If problems of ryzen get lost it could be brighter for gamers. At least I am thinking like that.

The parts I have are

I7 7700K cpu
Corsair vengeance lpx 3000 mhz c15 16 gb ram
Arctic freezer 240 Cpu cooler
Nzxt s340 case
Samsung 960 evo m2 2280 NVMe psd
2x wd blue 1 tb hdd


Ram is not compatible with ryzen mobo's. So I should send it back.I am thinking of going with Asus rog crosshair 6 for arctic Cpu cooler compatibility Ryzen 1700 or 1700x for cpu, and gskill 3200 mhz ram. Gonna wait vega from now on for at least show off. Then I will decide with 1070 or 1080 with 2k gsync or vega plus freesync.

 

[sizzling]

The socket change is normal for Intel. It depends what you plan to use the pc for? For pure gaming the 7700k is still king by a good margin, its going to take AMD at least another generation to match the 7700k for gaming performance.

There will always be something new in the near future that is better, that's just normal for PC's.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

Both companies have processors that will carry forward into the future quite well, but that isn't to say that's what a person will buy from either camp.

An i7 is perfectly fine if all you want to do is game and browse the web now and then. If you do any level of video work, rendering, heavy multitasking, streaming, or other productivity work, you'll get more value from a 6 or 8 core Ryzen system.

 

[Jan_26]

Few points to this...
1) Every platform will get forgotten sooner or later, it's a never ending sisyphos stone rolling to go to the top. There is no telling how long Ryzen's AM4 platform will hold, although you can expect it will hold longer than 1151... if only because it's fresh new while 1151 has two matured cpu generations on it's back.

2) Multicore is nice and cool and everything, but... there are many tasks that are simply not parallelizable. So take what AMD/Intel claim now with a grain of salt, in a way it's another race to holy gigahertz, just now it's a race to holy 32 physical / 64 logical cores (after that we'll need significant architectural/platform changes, definitely on OS side, possibly on HW side too). Long story short, multitude of cores won't be able to save you from the lack of IPC, which can become a bottleneck then. With 7700K I expect you'd be fine for next at least 5 years, but I have no crystal ball ;-)

3) I read numerous issues about Ryzen & memory compatibility, so definitely take a tested set to save yourself pain, if you have the chance.

4) VEGA vs Pascal... No way to tell how well it will be able to perform. You can wait for it, wich is, last time I checked, in July. In general bear in mind you could be waiting forever, when Vega is out, you could wait for Volta etc. Just make yourself thick deadline and don't move it.

5) Old vs Performing well... If it is performing well, it isn't old. No matter if you built the machine yesterday or 5 years ago. When it starts lacking, it's getting old.

 

[rhysiam]

Yep. I agree with @Sizzing. The 7700K is the undisputed king for gaming. While the Ryzen 1700 is a great workstation CPU and a very capable gaming CPU, there's no doubt the 7700K is better for gaming.

A better question, I think, is whether you should drop to a Ryzen 5 1600. It still has 6 cores which allows for additional future headroom, right now it's basically identical to the 8 core Ryzen's when it comes to gaming, and it saves you a cool $100. Whatever GPU you're considering right now, look at what you can get with an additional $100. That's almost the difference between a 1070 & 1080.

So for a pure gaming build, 7700K vs Ryzen 7 1700 the 7700K is the better choice. But a 7700K with a 1070 vs a Ryzen 5 1600 with a 1080... now that's a harder decision. AMD's commitment to the AM4 platform means future CPU upgrades should be possible. Honestly you could make an argument either way, and debate the actual costs depending on whether you include mobo, cooling and RAM costs... we could argue it out for days. But you can certainly make a compelling argument for either option.

 

[Jtfyondaime]

Thanks for answers first of all.I have read all the posts you wrote. And I know that there is no future proof build for sure, all you can do is risk what can be most likely. I am sure that Intel won't be worse than amd in close and far future. But at these prices it becomes more complicated.

Compared some 1700 or 1700x to 7700k, when oc'ed with proper rams ryzen could do better. There are still some Unhandled software problems which are not belonging to processor...

In my situation, gaming is only thing. If there was some other things like rendering etc, I wouldn't even ask for Intel or amd. It would be which amd.


I am never ever going for programming or rendering. Only thing else I could do is streaming but I need better connection for that anyway.

So if it's for ryzen, which one you prefer?

I have an arctic freezer liquid 240 which I bought for Intel system, it can be applied to am4 with a simple retention kit which supplied by arctic (wrote arctic for it)

But a friend of mine told me if I get Asus rog c6h, that mobo is supporting am3 coolers so I could use it on. What do you say?

A system with ryzen 1600x, Asus rog crosshair 6 hero, g skill trident z 3200 mhz ram wouldn't be nice for gaming?

For graphics card I was thinking of 1070 or 1080 which I will decide according to monitor.

Is there any bottleneck issues with 1070 or 1080 with r5 1600x?

 

[sizzling]

As I said for pure high FPS gaming the 7700k wins by a fair margin even against the best Ryzen setup. Ryzen is not a bad choice by any means its just not the leader in the benchmarks. Trying to guess what might happen in the future is risky, some people did that with the FX series thinking games would use more threads and it was a better buy than Intel and we all know how that turned out. I really would base any decision on facts and the only facts you have are todays benchmarks.