[SOLVED] Intel or amd in single core?

[aocon62]

Now, I know i either want a ryzen 3700x or an i7 8700. A really important factor for me is a very fast single core cpu speed, i play paradox games which only use one core for god knows why. Which cpu beats out the other in single core? Keep in mind that I also will need a new mobo for the 3700x, not my i7 8700. It would cost me around 300 AUD less for a 8700. Thanks.

 

[Finstar]

Intel CPUs still have everything on a single 14nm die and still have much better memory compatibility than AMD with Intel chips able to push 500+MHz higher memory overclocks.

Source?

 

[TerryLaze]

Source?

Intel can run up to 4400Mhz ram
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-ram-speed,5951-3.html

 

[InvalidError]

Intel can run up to 4400Mhz ram
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-ram-speed,5951-3.html

The Intel memory overclock record is 5.7GT/s vs 5.1GT/s for Ryzen 3xxx.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ddr4-memory-overclocking-world-record-ram-micron,39358.html

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Overclocked Beyond 5 GHz Across All 16 Cores On LN2, Destroys The Intel Core i9-9960X - MSI MEG X570 Pushes DDR4 To 5100 MHz On Air

AMD's recently announced Ryzen 9 3950X flagship processor with 16 cores is already breaking some world records with a 5 GHz overclock.

wccftech.com

So Intel's memory controller lead extends all the way into extreme territory and goes a considerable bit beyond 4.4GT/s.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

But for a normal person that doesnt matter as virtually no-one runs ram above 4000mhz.
Most gamers will plug in a 3200mhz kit or even 3600mhz and turn XMP on with no issues. Intel or AMD.

 

[Finstar]

The Intel memory overclock record is 5.7GT/s vs 5.1GT/s for Ryzen 3xxx.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ddr4-memory-overclocking-world-record-ram-micron,39358.html

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Overclocked Beyond 5 GHz Across All 16 Cores On LN2, Destroys The Intel Core i9-9960X - MSI MEG X570 Pushes DDR4 To 5100 MHz On Air

AMD's recently announced Ryzen 9 3950X flagship processor with 16 cores is already breaking some world records with a 5 GHz overclock.

wccftech.com

So Intel's memory controller lead extends all the way into extreme territory and goes a considerable bit beyond 4.4GT/s.

Intel overclock was on ln2 while Ryzen was on air...
That's not exactly great comparison.

 

[Finstar]

But for a normal person that doesnt matter as virtually no-one runs ram above 4000mhz.
Most gamers will plug in a 3200mhz kit or even 3600mhz and turn XMP on with no issues. Intel or AMD.

Exactly. I was just stating the improvements AMD managed to make to their controller by putting it on a separate die, giving it much more space without impacting the yields since it's made on an older cheaper process.
And since Intel doesn't have their main data pipeline speed tied to the ram speed like Zen does it's only logical that their controller isn't as sensitive.
I don't know why InvalidError decided to bring that up though since op didn't ask for it.

 

[InvalidError]

I don't know why InvalidError decided to bring that up though since op didn't ask for it.

Simple: Finstar stated that Ryzen 3 had a "very good memory controller because it is on a separate chiplet" I pointed out that Intel's memory controller is still better and still on a monolithic die. Also, Zen 2 incurs a ~15ns memory latency penalty compared to Zen+ (~65ns vs ~80ns) due to the chiplet-to-chiplet interface, which is a large part of the reason why AMD had to increase L3 cache to a ridiculously large 16MB per CCX so most frequently used data would remain in-CCX to compensate.

Splitting things up isn't intrinsically better.

 

[Finstar]

Simple: Finstar stated that Ryzen 3 had a "very good memory controller because it is on a separate chiplet" I pointed out that Intel's memory controller is still better and still on a monolithic die. Also, Zen 2 incurs a ~15ns memory latency penalty compared to Zen+ (~65ns vs ~80ns) due to the chiplet-to-chiplet interface, which is a large part of the reason why AMD had to increase L3 cache to a ridiculously large 16MB per CCX so most frequently used data would remain in-CCX to compensate.

Splitting things up isn't intrinsically better.

Better because it can do higher clocks on ln2 than Ryzen's on air?

You're comparing apples to oranges.
AMD managed to make massive improvements to their memory controller by moving it on a separate chiplet from a monolithic die.
Intel has yet to do that so there's no reference point for Intel cpus.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

I agree with InvalidError that Intels memory controller is better than ryzen 3k from what I read, but both have no issues getting to the speeds that most people buy.

As I said earlier, nobody runs incredibly fast ram. No performance increase and way higher cost.

The cheapest ddr4 4800mhz kit on pc part picker is nearly $450 for 16gb.