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Hello everyone,really happy to know this amazing community where i can hear other more experienced peoples opinions about computer knowledge.anyway,thanks to a recent thread i made,i asked people to recommend me a new mb ram and cpu,all of this because i wanted a very good cpu,anyways the MB i am willing to choose is this one:https://www.ebay.de/itm/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING-ATX-Motherboard-for-AMD-Socket-AM4-CPUs/112393292447?epid=835612113&hash=item1a2b298a9f:g:ajMAAOSwnONZCZ95
Ram:RAM white:https://www.skroutz.gr/s/12295336/TeamGroup-Night-Hawk-RGB-16GB-DDR4-3000MHz-TF2D416G3000HC16CDC01.html
RAM WHITE:https://www.ebay.de/itm/Team-Group-T-Force-Night-Hawk-RGB-DIMM-Kit-schwarz-16GB-DDR4-3000-CL16-DDR4-RAM/292229916827?hash=item440a42a89b:g😱RYAAOSwNd9ZzLiY
CPU:https://www.skroutz.gr/s/11139193/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Box.html
CURRENT RIG:
GPU:MSI GTX 1060 6GB
CPU:intel i5-4460 3.2Ghz
1x 1TB Hard drive (files and games,videos)
1x 120GB ssd (windows 10 and other programms like steam and GEFORCE)
MB:ASUS B85M-G
triple monitor setup 2x 60hz 1x 144hz (main)
I am a streamer and youtuber,so i need a good cpu as when i stream i get like a 40% system slowdown,my internet is medium but enough to stream 1080p 60fps with 4.5 upload speed.
i wanna replace the current rig with the new mb ram and cpu,but i have some problems i am really worried about and i really need your opinion.
My dad suggests me not getting ryzen processors as they lag and perform really badly,from the other side,my friends support that ryzen ones are monster cpu's with amazing power.
i dont wanna go over 600,ram is already too expensive,is this compatible with my system? will there be a good performance impact? and is the new processor way better than my current one? i mainly stream so i wanna keep the 144 framerate while gaming and streaming(drops to 90-60)
if ryzen processors are truly bad,then which proccesor do you guys recommend me?
(sorry for this huge mass of letters,not really good at syntaxis,or at least in other languages)
 
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Your dad is wrong here, Ryzen CPUs are exceptionally powerful for their price points. Ryzen 7 1700 would be great for your purposes since you're a streamer, and you can usually find it on sale for below MSRP. You already picked out a decent motherboard as well.

Intel, in general, is better for pure IPC and single core performance, so it would play better during games. Streaming can use the extra 2 cores of the Ryzen 7 series so it's better for streaming and video editing, though to be fair the 8700k/8600k is a monster for this task as well.

Ryzen CPUs are not the greatest at 144Hz since their single core performance hurts them a bit, but it should be fine for 100FPS or a little more during streaming. If you really want that consistent...
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Your dad is wrong here, Ryzen CPUs are exceptionally powerful for their price points. Ryzen 7 1700 would be great for your purposes since you're a streamer, and you can usually find it on sale for below MSRP. You already picked out a decent motherboard as well.

Intel, in general, is better for pure IPC and single core performance, so it would play better during games. Streaming can use the extra 2 cores of the Ryzen 7 series so it's better for streaming and video editing, though to be fair the 8700k/8600k is a monster for this task as well.

Ryzen CPUs are not the greatest at 144Hz since their single core performance hurts them a bit, but it should be fine for 100FPS or a little more during streaming. If you really want that consistent 144 fps it might be worth considering going Intel instead.

Either way you can't really go wrong. It just depends on your budget, since the 8700k build will be a fair bit more expensive.
 
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I don't know your father's level of expertise in cpu's, but the ryzen cpu's are beasts when it comes to streaming while gaming. They are known to hold very solid and concistent frame rates when multi tasking. One thing I wanted to mention is you can save a few bucks by picking up a Ryzen 1700 instead of the 1800x...it is the same chip, but cheaper. This might help shed some light https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2993-amd-1700-vs-intel-7700k-for-game-streaming/page-2
 
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If you are budget constrained, I might suggest buying a I7-4790K which will run on your motherboard.
It gives you 4 more threads for streaming, and even at stock the clocks are higher than your current cpu which is good for gaming.

Ryzen 1800X buys you 16 threads reasonably. It will OC close to 4.0
The 1700x buys you the same 16 threads for less, but will not oc quite as high.

If the 1800X is within your budget, I suggest a similarly priced I7-8700K with 12 threads.
That is good for multitasking while the 8700K will oc closer to 5.0 which is better for games.
 
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I have to respectfully disagree on an 1800x oc'ing higher than a 1700 as if it is set in stone. The 1700 is very capable of hitting 4.0 as reported by many reviewers. I have a 1600 that can run at 4.0 @ 1.40v, but I choose to run it at 3.7 due to my personal needs. I also would like to add that even having the multiplier set to 3.7 in the bios my cpu does still reach 3.9 under load, but never more than 2 cores at a time. Everything comes down to the silicone lottery.
 
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if you have a 144hz monitor and want to stream then the i5 8600k or i7 8700k are the only options

it streams well BUT you will take a significant fps hit if you go ryzen, great productivity cpu but struggles with high refresh rate gaming
 
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Really hapy to see all of you people trying to help,my point is i dont wanna go more than 600 in total,i really dont know what but just to give anyone that is really interested to help here is a old BAD stream in greek:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0zl76VQoZs&t=1211s go at the end where i play overwatch,i was playing on ultra and had freezes not fps drops,now i use streamlabs obs and just started an english channel for streaming and making videos,you could take a look at the performance with the current build and suggest me person to person components if you want here:https://discord.gg/9kDhwe9
personnaly with what i heard ryzens really made me prefer them than intel ones,in total the mb would be 100 and with the RAM 330 round there,i can spend 400MAX on the cpu,i really dont care if it will be ryzen or intel,the point is i am in love with the mb bcs of its price and features,it only support RYZEN cpu's if you didnt know.i dont know guys,intel or ryzen? i edit a lot and i am fine with the performance no fps drops in preview no nothing,i just wanna stream with a GOOD framerate,(i also forgot to mention i had everygame in ultra max while i forgot i had to have 144fps in order to achieve hz DUHH) right now i will be streaming with lower settings (stream mentioned above was high or ultra with OBS)
EXTRAS:really thank you all for spending your time trying to help me,really means a lot as i had many struggles in my computer (gpu fans.psu weird noises etc. also i will use a technicial to install all those)
*anyone who is interested to see my setup either join my discord or add me on facebook saying you are from toms hardware here:https://www.facebook.com/harry.0fficial
 
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IMPORTAND UPDATE:i decided to go with an i7-8700K,but does my mb which i wanna get support intel proccesors?

if not what would u suggest for not more than 120 euros?
if it does is there any cheaper RAM i can get?ireally dont wanna spend much in RAM 🙁
 
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Assuming no GPU bottlenecks, Ryzen will give less fps during gaming because its single-core performance and IPC isn't on the same level as Intel's. Ryzen struggles with high refresh rates for the same reason.

Ultimately 8700k is a better CPU for most gaming/streaming.
 
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I7-8700K is as good as it gets for gaming, particularly with a strong graphics card like the GTX1080ti and higher monitor resolutions.
If you are budget constrained, the 6 thread I5-8600K will perform equally well in games.
And, considerably better than your I5-4460 for streaming, but not as good as the 8700K.
For streaming, the faster 12 threads will perform about as well as the slower 16 ryzen threads.
You will need a Z370 based motherboard.
They are all good, no need for an expensive one.

For ram, assuming 16gb is sufficient, buy a 2 x 8gb DDR4 kit.
High speed is not all that important for Intel processors.
3000-3600 speed is fine, no need to chase more.

K processors do not come with stock coolers, nor would you want one.
If your case permits, I would suggest the noctua NH-D15s.
Look at this noctua TDP compatibility document for other options:
https://noctua.at/en/tdp-guide
 
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i really dont understand word from what you said about the cooling,i decided to go with the i7-8700K (good old intel boy)
rather than ryzen,also i wanna thank every one of you for helping me out with this and all the time you spended in order to help me :)

 
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