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Wasn't there an article not long ago about frontier having a high number of failures. I felt the subtext was that Intel would be producing a higher quality result when Aurora launched. Gosh it almost sounds like building supercomputers is hard.
 
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jp7189 said:
Wasn't there an article not long ago about frontier having a high number of failures. I felt the subtext was that Intel would be producing a higher quality result when Aurora launched. Gosh it almost sounds like building supercomputers is hard.
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Definitely. It’s always hard to get huge amounts of hardware to scale properly over a large area. Hell Cray doesn’t even make its own products anymore but it’s still a viable business just from having experience getting these things operable.
 
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dalek1234 said:
"hardware failures, software bugs, cooling system malfunctions, issues with power supply, networking infrastructure stability, environmental factors, and operational errors"

And it uses twice the power compared to Frontier. And how does that translate to extra $-for-electricity?

What a clown-show Intel has become
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The power consumptions for sure is a clown show, however, ALL supercomputers have tons of everything in your quoted section including the aforementioned AMD powered Frontier supercomputer.
 
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PEnns said:
This could also be an Intel win...it just needs to think outside the box:

Intel-powered Aurora supercomputer fails to dethrone AMD-powered Frontier on Top500 list, again — claims spot as fastest AI supercomputer with Purple-Gold-Aquamarine color!​

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in what? record power consumption and inefficiency?

helper800 said:
The power consumptions for sure is a clown show, however, ALL supercomputers have tons of everything in your quoted section including the aforementioned AMD powered Frontier supercomputer.
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wait, like what?
 
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tamalero said:
wait, like what?
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I know enough to know I don't know very much about supercomputers, however, I do know the below.

There are so many motherboards, RAM sticks, CPUs, hundreds of miles of cords, PSUs, GPUs, storage devices, et cetera that go bad on a hardware level because these supercomputers contain many hundreds if not thousands of them. On a software level it is a massive clusterF to get all of the hardware to work and scale the task you are doing. You cannot just open a normal application on a supercomputer and expect it to work, and that is another thing, lots of times the software that is run on them is entirely unique or needs to be heavily modified. Development and implementation hell is all we can say to describe this.
 
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aldaia said:
"Aurora will consume up to 60 mW of peak power, slightly more than double Frontier's 29 mW, ..."
Be careful with units:
mW = milliWatts
MW = MegaWatts
I highly doubt supercomputers consume milliWatts
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They do so consume milliwatts... BILLIONS OF THEM! 😉
dalek1234 said:
"hardware failures, software bugs, cooling system malfunctions, issues with power supply, networking infrastructure stability, environmental factors, and operational errors"

And it uses twice the power compared to Frontier. And how does that translate to extra $-for-electricity?
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Intel's desktop Achilles' heel is even more devastating in the data centre space where every penny counts.
dalek1234 said:
What a clown-show Intel has become
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It's because for about 40 years, they were the undisputed king of x86-based PCs (and thus one of the kings of tech in general). Intel has no idea how to play second-fiddle to someone else. Even when the Athlon 64 had Intel beat, Intel knew how to keep its iron grip on the market (by hook or by crook). It wasn't until 2020 (with Zen3) that AMD had Intel beaten in every single CPU metric that existed (single and multi-threaded performance, gaming performance, power efficiency and value). When it comes to the data centre, things move more slowly and only very recently has EPYC started crushing Xeon left and right.

Intel has only been second fiddle for about four years and without knowing how to handle it, they've just gone off the deep-end. They're still operating under the idea that they're #1 and it's to the point now that they can honestly be called delusional.
 
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Avro Arrow said:
It's because for about 40 years, they were the undisputed king of x86-based PCs (and thus one of the kings of tech in general). Intel has no idea how to play second-fiddle to someone else. Even when the Athlon 64 had Intel beat, Intel knew how to keep its iron grip on the market (by hook or by crook). It wasn't until 2020 (with Zen3) that AMD had Intel beaten in every single CPU metric that existed (single and multi-threaded performance, gaming performance, power efficiency and value). When it comes to the data centre, things move more slowly and only very recently has EPYC started crushing Xeon left and right.

Intel has only been second fiddle for about four years and without knowing how to handle it, they've just gone off the deep-end. They're still operating under the idea that they're #1 and it's to the point now that they can honestly be called delusional.
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I would not call Intel delusional when, IMO, its been more trading blows since the initial Ryzen launch depending on what you care about. Neither AMD or Intel has been able to completely supplant each other in recent years. AMDs EPYC has been crushing Intel since release, the only thing that lags behind is the adoption rate of AMD because it takes time for companies to spend 10k, 100k, 1000k to replace their computing infrastructure with new stuff when the existing intel stuff is deemed "good enough for now." When they do start replacing that stuff though, it's a hard bargain to stay with Intel Xeons. That's my take at the least.
 
Sounds similar to the problems Frontier was still chasing after going fully operational. This leads me to believe the primary issues lie within the platform rather than the compute hardware given both AMD and Intel are using the same Cray platform.
 
helper800 said:
I would not call Intel delusional when, IMO, its been more trading blows since the initial Ryzen launch depending on what you care about. Neither AMD or Intel has been able to completely supplant each other in recent years. AMDs EPYC has been crushing Intel since release, the only thing that lags behind is the adoption rate of AMD because it takes time for companies to spend 10k, 100k, 1000k to replace their computing infrastructure with new stuff when the existing intel stuff is deemed "good enough for now." When they do start replacing that stuff though, it's a hard bargain to stay with Intel Xeons. That's my take at the least.
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What I mean is that they're no longer the undisputed market leader and they have no idea how to react to that so the operate under the delusion that they still are the undisputed market leader.

General Motors did the same thing and look what happened to them.
 
helper800 said:
I would not call Intel delusional when, IMO, its been more trading blows since the initial Ryzen launch depending on what you care about. Neither AMD or Intel has been able to completely supplant each other in recent years. AMDs EPYC has been crushing Intel since release, the only thing that lags behind is the adoption rate of AMD because it takes time for companies to spend 10k, 100k, 1000k to replace their computing infrastructure with new stuff when the existing intel stuff is deemed "good enough for now." When they do start replacing that stuff though, it's a hard bargain to stay with Intel Xeons. That's my take at the least.
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I have the feeling they just agreed under the table or something, Intel is dominating the desktop market, amd the server market.
 
TheHerald said:
I have the feeling they just agreed under the table or something, Intel is dominating the desktop market, amd the server market.
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I understand that Intel is still dominating the desktop market but if you look at marketshare trends Intel is has been losing significant ground since Ryzens release. To intels credit they have started innovating again and we are all the better for it with pricing to performance.
 
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I understand that Intel is still dominating the desktop market but if you look at marketshare trends Intel is has been losing significant ground since Ryzens release. To intels credit they have started innovating again and we are all the better for it with pricing to performance.
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The market increasing is different from losing marketshare, intel was making twice the money for like 5 years when ryzen came out, so intel increased their marketshare a lot after ryzen and so did amd, they both increased meaning the whole market increased.

And I think Herald is kinda right there, AMD dominates servers for the same reason they dominate consoles, intel just doesn't want to sell for that cheap, ever since arm got viable for servers the profit margin has evaporated.
 
TerryLaze said:
And I think Herald is kinda right there, AMD dominates servers for the same reason they dominate consoles, intel just doesn't want to sell for that cheap, ever since arm got viable for servers the profit margin has evaporated.
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This is a rather inaccurate take not supported by available data. If AMD has 23.6% of the x86 server CPU market, but 33% of the revenue that means they're selling more high cost products.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21392/amd-hits-record-high-share-in-x86-cpus-in-q1-2024
 
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