News Intel Raptor Lake CPU Falls To Core i9-12900K, Ryzen 9 5950X In Early Leaked Benchmark

[Admin]

The first benchmark of one of Intel's future 13th-Gen Raptor Lake processors has emerged.

Intel Raptor Lake CPU Falls To Core i9-12900K, Ryzen 9 5950X In Early Leaked Benchmark : Read more

 

[-Fran-]

Well, this is at best an ES, so nothing much to say here.

I'd just look at the horizontal scaling of the scores and try to draw a line instead by normalizing:
12900K: ~5%+ overall to productivity, ~5%- overall to creativity and ~2%+ overall to responsiveness.
5950X: ~1%+ overall to productivity, ~3%- overall to creativity and ~5%- overall to responsiveness.
ES: ~9%+ overall to productivity, ~13%- overall to creativity and ~9%- overall to responsiveness.

I've bolded the one I find interesting, as I think that implies the IPC gap between the CPUs across the BAPCo test suit (whatever they use). And then the responsiveness could mean how fast is the CPU at moving things around between the cores, which makes sense for Raptor Lake to have bigger latency overall, since it's adding even more slow cores.

There are some interesting things you can still extrapolate from this info and, following the lines of Alder Lake, RL may be another CPU with tradeoffs and heavy scheduler dependency (much like AMD's chiplet, but more).

Regards,

 

[wifiburger]

early bios & early eng sample
most likely that thing was locked to base cock & memory controller was slow down

if it pulled that score with locked freq / early bios most likely it will outperform zen3, 12th gen easily when it's out

 

[btmedic04]

my guess is that this was a baseline functionality test of a very early production engineering sample. still neat to see it performing in the ballpark of the year old 5950x this early when it is still a year out from launch

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

While I place no validity in the benchmark results given it is likely a very early sample running at low frequencies, it is nice to see that thanks to AMD's pressure Intel is actually having to innovate again, increasing core counts, IPC, and PPW. If Intel keeps aggressively pricing them, us end users may actually be treated to a proper war again.

Imagine if in a couple of years this same thing will be able to be said about Intel GPUs...

 

[escksu]

I think ultimately, maybe by the end of the decade, CPUs and high performance GPUs are going to merge into one device again. They are definitely converging and not diverging in architecture at this point. I think this hybrid core design is one step.

No, i have to say this will not happen. The main reason is power consumption. If you merge a 200w cpu with a 300w gpu, you have 500w..you will need very expensive cooling solutions. And then, it will also make the silicon way too big and too exoensive. No doubt you ca. Have interpose and multiple dies but its also extremely big and expensive.

I would say multi-die cpu (like sapphire rapids) will likely become common. Future amd and nvidia might use multiple smaller dies to create a bigger one. This means you do not need to create different designs for different models.

Eg. A future amd 9700xt has 1 rdna5 die. Then a higher end 9800 has 2 (9800xt 3). 9900xt has 4...

 

[TerryLaze]

Most tasks do not peg both at 100% power at the same time. Most tasks are very heavy one sided.

I think if you look at some leaks of intel's roadmap even in the shorter term (Meteor Lake and beyond), they are considering putting a substantially larger number of iGPU execution units on the chip to take away the need for a dedicated GPU in many cases. Apple is going the same way. Phones went that way a long time ago. My prediction is even beyond that the architectures are converging and that at some point separate iGPU execution units won't even make sense. There will just be a sea of small CPU cores.

Memory architectures will take some work. Right now GPU memory is bandwidth optimized and CPU memory is latency optimized. But I still think it is merging reasonably fast.

iGPUs will become stronger, no question, but they will still be a far cry from being "high performance" on the other side the iGPUs of today are already enough for a lot of people.
Also intel already tried knights landing and cpu cores as gpu, and it was terribad for consumer level tasks, it was alright for very special things but not for gaming.

 

[Friesiansam]

Given that there is no way of verifying exactly what CPU is being compared here, only a "genuine Intel 0000", what is the point of trying to infer anything from the published figures?

 

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[Co BIY]

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[Nightseer]

Yeah, it is just early engineering sample and 12900k is pushed past it's efficiency curve, so engineering sample also likely isn't pushed nearly as hard or maybe even isn't as good silicon quality beside early BIOS and stuff. Though hopefully final product won't need to be pushed as far as 12900k.

 

[jp7189]

I think ultimately, maybe by the end of the decade, CPUs and high performance GPUs are going to merge into one device again. They are definitely converging and not diverging in architecture at this point. I think this hybrid core design is one step.

Not a chance... sure for the casual consumer we're pretty much already there, but in the datacenter it's going the opposite direction with seperate accelerators springing up for many tasks. Remember when supercomputers were primarily general purpose cores? Now a days most of the horsepower is coming from seperate "GPU" accelerators.

I do worry about the future for us enthuist gamers. How long until that market segment isn't worth the development costs? It seems NVIDIA has been pouring their resources in to datacenter with gamers being dropped to second tier.