Intel Releases Anti-Nvidia Ion Documents

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bosjee

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All I want is a tiny nettop that can do 1080p. It looks like only Ion can do that now. I will definitely wait for Pineview if it can do that too.
 

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I want better graphics, I want the ability to have access to new technology or old technology in new forms. If ION can make up for the shortcomings of my wife's dell mini 9, then I would like to have one.

I want the ability to have a better screen resolution than 1280x600. I want the small form factor for travel. Between 6 and 10 inches seems about right. I want to have integrated GPS, ability to play BluRay quality video, and great wifi access. If it can play a nice 3d game or two, that would be icing. Intel is dropping the ball here, and most of that dropped ball is nothing more than Intel preventing the full use of it's Atom processor by vendors.
 
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Not that Intel is anti-competitive or a stereotypical evil corporation or anything like that...
 

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"The document compares the Atom’s current TDP of 8 W against Ion’s 15.5 W."
is intel STUPID!!!! how are they going to compare nvidia's chip set against the atom CPU....try comparing chip set to chip set....duh...

the atom will be 8 watts no matter what!!!

the atom plus Intel's chip set draws 33-35 watts

the Ion chip set of 15.5 plus the atom's 8 watts = 23.5
 

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bosjee,

Can you please explain why you need 1080p on tiny nettop? My calculation shows that if you screen is 10" the 1080p will result in about 216dpi. That is great if you planning to do image processing, but it is really over-kill for video watching. Good video quality is achieved at 72dpi and the excellent would be at 150dpi. Please, I am looking for understanding, not to disrespect you. May be I am missing something here?
 

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Sounds like Intel is worried, they should be. Before Intel became a dominant chipset maker, they would have welcomed and co-marketed the Ion. Anything that makes their CPUs look better used to be a benefit, now it's all about how much of the all the markets they can control.

The document compares the Atom’s current TDP of 8 W against Ion’s 15.5 W
I don't know where Intel is getting the 8W number (perhaps the Poulsbo chipset), but it's certainly not the almost universally used 945GC/GSE. See the comparison http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-ion-atom,2153.html of Intel's reference Atom board to Nvidia's Ion from which the below quote is taken.

The second impact of the older design is that total power consumption is high. According to Intel, the 945GC’s TDP is 22.2 W, and the Atom 230 + 945GC + ICH7 platform has a TDP of 29.5 W. The GeForce 9400M claims a TDP of only 12 W. The Atom itself consumes 4 W, putting the Ion at 16 W total—just above half the TDP of the Intel platform.
 

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No market for it? I'm thinking a new Mac Mini or maybe on AppleTV? Intel does realize the Apple switched to Nvidia chipsets for the macbooks right?
 

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[citation][nom]geoffs[/nom]For output to an HDTV. The Ion would form the basis of an excellent HTPC.[/citation]
Sorry, that was not my question to bojee. I understand the ION platform and I think Intel is shooting themselves in foot by fighting the Nvidia.
I agree that ION could be cool HTPC, but tiny nettop is useful on you kitchen top and excellent video quality could be achieve at 720p or less. There is issue if you have a 1080p source and you want to transcode it on the fly, but nettops was never attended for that.
 

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Can't wait for nvidia to start making it's own processors. It would be great; more innovation and lower prices (not to mention a big F.U. to Intel). BTW i am not and amd, nvidia, ati, Apple, Microsoft etc etc fanboy, so don't start...

I am however a competition/innovation fanboy so go ahead and flame away at that.
 

danimal_the_animal

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they may as well join forces.....

nvidia will potentially increase their atom sales anyhow so i don't see Intel loosing money there.

BUT if Intel refuses to join forces....nvidia will most likely join with via.....then Intel will have lots of trouble selling their chip sets AND the CPU because folks will choose nvidia over Intel EVERY TIME!


you give the Intel the chance to more profit and they say "ALL OR NOTHING!"

well i guess they will get nothing.

with an efficient little PC like this Intel will have lots trouble selling its socket 775 and I7 cpu's cause the only people who will be buying it are enthusiasts, gamers, and video editors.

The average Joe just does basic computing!
 

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still think intel has a point, they're telling OEM's to wait for pineview platform wherein it integrates a memory controller, IGP, and could be using a 32nm process.
 

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[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]bosjee,Can you please explain why you need 1080p on tiny nettop? My calculation shows that if you screen is 10" the 1080p will result in about 216dpi. That is great if you planning to do image processing, but it is really over-kill for video watching. Good video quality is achieved at 72dpi and the excellent would be at 150dpi. Please, I am looking for understanding, not to disrespect you. May be I am missing something here?[/citation]

Um you should know sal that nettop's also include the mini-pcs like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220004

That is a nettop. What you are thinking of is called a netbook, two different things that run on a similar platform...So I guess you did miss something, it's ok happens to the best of us. :)
 

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[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]bosjee,Can you please explain why you need 1080p on tiny nettop? My calculation shows that if you screen is 10" the 1080p will result in about 216dpi. That is great if you planning to do image processing, but it is really over-kill for video watching. Good video quality is achieved at 72dpi and the excellent would be at 150dpi. Please, I am looking for understanding, not to disrespect you. May be I am missing something here?[/citation]

Although 1080p on a 8" screen will be useless, I suppose just being able to play the movie is a good thing by itself. I've always hated converting movies to lower res, just so I can watch it on my smaller devices. If ION allows me to skip the converting and use the same files I use on my desktop, then I suppose it's worth it.
 

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I don't see what the fuss is about. Intel should just sell the atom chips to nvidia and let them sort out the ion netbooks etc. That way they're making all the profit from their own solution (which according to them is better) and they'd make money from nvidia even if ion flops.
 

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[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]I don't see what the fuss is about. Intel should just sell the atom chips to nvidia and let them sort out the ion netbooks etc. That way they're making all the profit from their own solution (which according to them is better) and they'd make money from nvidia even if ion flops.[/citation]

the problem is that intel wants to sell their chipsets WITH the cpu....they dont want nvidia cutting into their chipset profit.

intel cannot see the light that by joining forces with nvidia they can actually make more money than they are currently making now, because of more interested parties.

nvidia did a good job showing the Ion off....just look at the results....EVERYONE wants one including ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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[citation][nom]dyingcat[/nom]Although 1080p on a 8" screen will be useless, I suppose just being able to play the movie is a good thing by itself. I've always hated converting movies to lower res, just so I can watch it on my smaller devices. If ION allows me to skip the converting and use the same files I use on my desktop, then I suppose it's worth it.[/citation]

Stop replying to SAL-e, he was talking about a ntebook, where as the prvious commenter was referring to a nettop.

And to SAL-e maybe I should calrify this further the guy "Bjosee" or w/e probably wants to pair up a nettop system b/c of it's extremly small form factor w/ a 42" Lcd or Plasma or w/e doesn't really matter.
 

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[citation][nom]Blessedman[/nom]Intel should just end this and buy Nvidia. It would be a sad day, but god get over this junk![/citation]
Are you one of the guys who like monopoly to a market segment ? This is the reason why i`m an AMD fan and not Intel, even thow intel holds the crown in high end computing, the prices of CPUs are hold low because the existance of AMD and other competitors and all those Intel fans should thank that AMD exists ... now Intel goes for Nvidia when they offer something better. I will never pay for something produced by Intel, i don`t wanna be a part of that greed. Take away AMD and nvidia from computing and you`ll end up with a high priced monopoly from Intel and till now they suck hard on graphics part. Guess it`s gone to their heads that hey can do anything since core 2 duo.
 

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[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]Sorry, that was not my question to bojee.[/citation]Obviously, I'm not Bjosee, but I did answer your question, you just missed it (or refused to see it). One reason is for output to an HDTV. A secondary reason (as another poster mentioned) is to be able to use the same source on a desktop and a nettop/netbook/htpc as on a desktop/laptop, without transcoding. Transcoding audio is not a big deal since it can be done significantly faster than real-time. Transcoding non-scalable video (I don't know of any current scalable video formats) is time consuming, significantly slower than real-time on even the newest/fastest machines under $10,000. That's a great reason to want to be able to play HD video on a Nettop or netbook, even if you don't have a screen that handle 1080p.
 

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[citation][nom]geoffs[/nom]Obviously, I'm not Bjosee, but I did answer your question, you just missed it (or refused to see it). One reason is for output to an HDTV. A secondary reason (as another poster mentioned) is to be able to use the same source on a desktop and a nettop/netbook/htpc as on a desktop/laptop, without transcoding. Transcoding audio is not a big deal since it can be done significantly faster than real-time. Transcoding non-scalable video (I don't know of any current scalable video formats) is time consuming, significantly slower than real-time on even the newest/fastest machines under $10,000. That's a great reason to want to be able to play HD video on a Nettop or netbook, even if you don't have a screen that handle 1080p.[/citation]

have any of you guys seen the nvidia ion in action playing 1080p blueray videos with no problems?

this would make a GREAT HTPC! especially if they made the box a little bigger to accept 3.5 inch harddrive's

i have a full blown PC running mythtv (wish i had this little ion though) LOADED with DVD movies ripped using handbrake and blue ray movies ripped using ripbot264. i have a 2tb drive and believe me...TONS of space for movies.....DVD rips end up 1-1.5gb in size and blueray movies 5-10gb.....if animated or computer animated ~3gb with NO quality loss.

but my setup was EXPENSIVE!!!! this little nettop could get people in the game for probably 300 bucks or less.... i,m assuming maybe 150 for the ion board with atom cpu (or some other cpu)over 200 if using a via cpu....plus HD ect.

heck the ion that was reviewed on toms hardware can fit a 500 gig laptop sata drive....plus its around that time again when they up the size of 2.5 inch harddrives.

on another note what about a netbook running the ion chipset with a HDMI out connector? take to a friends house to watch movies???

or when you come home hook it up to your LCD tv and attach wireless keyboard and mouse and use it as a PC?

lots of options here!!!
 

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just so that you guys know.....

my intel quad core q6600 2.4 ghz cpu takes from 8-12 hours to rip a blueray movie (no quality loss)

overclocked to 3.0 ghz it takes 6-10......hard to imagine that a 8 core 3.0 (that is if i could actually afford one would cut my best time by only half.....

transcoding 1080p content requires a quadcore minimum.....
 
if you want 1080P get a normal laptop. adding 1080P would defeat the purpose of why netbook's exist. and that is because there cheap laptops. besides there would be no purpose if they added 1080p if you couldn't take advantage of it on the screen itself.
 
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