Intel Reveals Hardware Specs List for Windows 8 Tablets

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I'm a digital artist and developer on the go. I don't like Intel's specs at all. I really hope manufacturers buck Intel's desired definition of what a tablet should be and bring us more devices like the Asus EP121. Of all the tablets I have used that has been my favorite. The Atom-based tablets have been miserable failures. They're simply too slow to get any real work done with them.

I want to buy a 10 to 13 inch tablet with a Wacom digitizer and a CPU that is at least twice as strong as an Atom. The only thing at this point that would make the EP121 better is if it had AMD or Nvidia graphics inside. I'm sure Intel doesn't want anyone building the device I want to buy because it would eat into Ultrabook sales. What a shame.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]I'm a digital artist and developer on the go. I don't like Intel's specs at all. I really hope manufacturers buck Intel's desired definition of what a tablet should be and bring us more devices like the Asus EP121. Of all the tablets I have used that has been my favorite. The Atom-based tablets have been miserable failures. They're simply too slow to get any real work done with them.I want to buy a 10 to 13 inch tablet with a Wacom digitizer and a CPU that is at least twice as strong as an Atom. The only thing at this point that would make the EP121 better is if it had AMD or Nvidia graphics inside. I'm sure Intel doesn't want anyone building the device I want to buy because it would eat into Ultrabook sales. What a shame.[/citation]

Exactally how many Atom based tablets have you had your hands on again? Last I checked there have only been a few released all with Windows 7. The tablet you are talking about has a mobile CPU in it and gets about 3 hours of battery life. Its nice for the better performance, but whats the point if you have to stop and charge it so soon?

The specs look like a normal tablet to me and 9+ hours of battery life is great for a full dual core.

From the info on Intels smartphone Atom, it is a better performer than the chip in the Samsung Galaxy S II, and its a single core vs a dual core while giving the same battery life.

I say wait till this is actually out instead of pre-judging. I think Intel could bring some fierce competition so that the ARM based manufactures start pushing out reall powerfull chips instead of a handful of weak ones. Especially considering Intels process advantage.
 
... it is down hill from here for MS and Intel... c'mon... if i wanna a tablet, i buy android or iOS ones... MS and Intel stick to what you do best... i don't say, that they don't need to explore the opportunities... but... don't try to shove down the troat half backed things, because iOS ans android is popular...
 
bigdragon, you don't know what you are talking about. There aren't any Intel tablets out there. The device you are talking about weighs a ton for a tablet (1.2 kg), has a mobile i5 in it, and only 4 hours of battery life. That device is less mobile than an ultrabook!!! It is also less powerful than the ultrabooks that will be released in a month. The price tag of $1300 isn't exactly nice either.

These are TRUE tablets that weight ounces, have 10 hours of battery life, and are smaller. For your applications, the ASUS tablet (if you want to call it that) is perfect! The tablets that you are looking at here are not extremely powerful. They ARE more powerful than the tablets you are seeing out there now. This is a dual core version of a single core processor that has already proven to be more powerful than the ARM CPs out there right now. They also have similar battery life and will run a full version of Win8, not just the metro ARM Win 8. These will be good products for on the go people, just not for someone who needs to do the things you are doing.

Oh yeah, it won't run Crisis.
 
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]Exactally how many Atom based tablets have you had your hands on again? Last I checked there have only been a few released all with Windows 7. The tablet you are talking about has a mobile CPU in it and gets about 3 hours of battery life. Its nice for the better performance, but whats the point if you have to stop and charge it so soon?The specs look like a normal tablet to me and 9+ hours of battery life is great for a full dual core.From the info on Intels smartphone Atom, it is a better performer than the chip in the Samsung Galaxy S II, and its a single core vs a dual core while giving the same battery life.I say wait till this is actually out instead of pre-judging. I think Intel could bring some fierce competition so that the ARM based manufactures start pushing out reall powerfull chips instead of a handful of weak ones. Especially considering Intels process advantage.[/citation]
How many tablets? Many. Fujitsu Q550, HP Slate, Lenovo S10, and a couple more. I have to evaluate these things for their applicability for the work environment given the current tablet fad. I was quite fond of the Samsung Series 7, but its reduced screen resolution vs the Asus EP121 was a real downer. When you look at it objectively the mobile i5 reduced battery life is an acceptable tradeoff against the Atom for dramatically higher performance, more screen resolution, and a digitizer that doesn't lag. 3 hours is pretty good compared to the stuff we used to have that got 1 or 1.5 hours. I'm really not all that concerned that an EP121 doesn't stay powered as long as a Kindle. It's good enough. At least I don't have to wait 5 seconds for the junky Atom-based Q550 and its digitizer to decide how to draw the line I just drew.

I'm not going to comment on phones and ARM and such. My goal is to raise an alarm bell that Intel wants to dumb down Windows 8 tablets into an arena dominated by the iPad and Android tabs. I want a powerful tablet for drawing, sculpting, and even scripting on the go. I want to use it for business and pleasure. Intel and Microsoft seem to want to position their tablets for media consumption. I can browse Facebook just fine on my phone and watch movies just fine on my Smart TV. Let's not forget about the high-end tablet niche the EP121 has dominated over the past year. I want to see a Windows 8 replacement. This article tells me we may not see such a thing because it competes with the Ultrabook.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]I'm a digital artist and developer on the go. I don't like Intel's specs at all. I really hope manufacturers buck Intel's desired definition of what a tablet should be and bring us more devices like the Asus EP121. Of all the tablets I have used that has been my favorite. The Atom-based tablets have been miserable failures. They're simply too slow to get any real work done with them.[/citation]
You are not the target consumer for this device. If you are looking for a device for use in developing content on a professional level, then for the sake of your customers please use a dedicated PC or laptop.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]I'm a digital artist and developer on the go. I don't like Intel's specs at all. I really hope manufacturers buck Intel's desired definition of what a tablet should be and bring us more devices like the Asus EP121. Of all the tablets I have used that has been my favorite. The Atom-based tablets have been miserable failures. They're simply too slow to get any real work done with them.I want to buy a 10 to 13 inch tablet with a Wacom digitizer and a CPU that is at least twice as strong as an Atom. The only thing at this point that would make the EP121 better is if it had AMD or Nvidia graphics inside. I'm sure Intel doesn't want anyone building the device I want to buy because it would eat into Ultrabook sales. What a shame.[/citation]

Dude, you have just described a desktop PC with a Core i7 and 16Gb RAM. Go get one! You are totally missing the point. These devices are for entertainment mostly: sit on the couch, browse the web, stream some porn.
That's why they need to be cheap, thin, small, light and with a very long battery life.

Yeah, maybe you want a discrete graphics card too and to play Crysis 😀
 
[citation][nom]MeinKompf[/nom]bigdragon, you don't know what you are talking about. There aren't any Intel tablets out there.[/citation]
Last time I checked the Motion Computing LE1700 I used to use and Asus EP121 I use now both had Intel logos on there. The LE1700 is from 2007, can be viewed in direct sunlight, has a C2D L7400 that smokes the Atom provided in the 2011 Fujitsu Q550, but only gets an hour of battery life unfortunately. I have been using tablets since before the iPad. The iPad, its form factor, and its purpose is not the be-all and end-all of tablet computing.

I don't want an iPad and I don't want an Ultrabook. I can't do real work on an iPad, and I can't draw on the screen of an Ultrabook. It disturbs me that Intel wants to define what a Windows 8 tablet is to be such that it doesn't compete with Ultrabooks. This same sort of behavior torpedoed the netbook market. People can do so much more with these types of devices. Let's not use another spec list to constrain them to existing in an over-saturated market dominated by iOS and Android. I don't think this is a recipe for success.
 
[citation]pleasure. Intel and Microsoft seem to want to position their tablets for media consumption. I can browse Facebook just fine on my phone and watch movies just fine on my Smart TV. Let's not forget about the high-end tablet niche the EP121 has dominated over the past year. I want to see a Windows 8 replacement. This article tells me we may not see such a thing because it competes with the Ultrabook.[/citation]

Yeah, and I want a car with rocket engines to travel to the Moon for the weekend. But fucking Toyota keeps on making hybrids instead of developing the rocket car. Something tell me that we may not see such a thing because it competes with the hybrids.

Slates like the Asus have been on the market for many years and failed to gain any significant market share. Can you guess why? The Asus is not a tablet it is basically a laptop PC without a keyboard. 😉 Too big, too heavy and too underpowered for anything serious, except if you really need something like that. Most people obviously don't. It it was 3x cheaper I might buy one but not at this price and just 4 hours of battery life... no thanks!

 
[citation][nom]husker[/nom]You are not the target consumer for this device. If you are looking for a device for use in developing content on a professional level, then for the sake of your customers please use a dedicated PC or laptop.[/citation]
You should see peoples' faces light up when I bring out the EP121. Everyone asks me if it's the new iPad. I politely answer no while Photoshop or Blender loads. There is no way I would ever trade that for lugging around a desktop or a conventional laptop with its permanently-attached keyboard.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]You should see peoples' faces light up when I bring out the EP121. Everyone asks me if it's the new iPad. I politely answer no while Photoshop or Blender loads. There is no way I would ever trade that for lugging around a desktop or a conventional laptop with its permanently-attached keyboard.[/citation]
The Asus EP121 is not a table but is a "Tablet PC". The tablet PC is a much different animal than a tablet. It runs a pc operating system and has pc like specs. It also has a PC like price (currently around $1300 on amazon). It essentially is a laptop with the keyboard detached. As I mentioned before, simple tablets designed for content consumption are not intended for heavy content creation.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]You should see peoples' faces light up when I bring out the EP121. Everyone asks me if it's the new iPad. I politely answer no while Photoshop or Blender loads. There is no way I would ever trade that for lugging around a desktop or a conventional laptop with its permanently-attached keyboard.[/citation]
Don't forget the advantage of being able to draw directly on the screen!
I had an hp tx2500 convertible laptop/tablet and it was a blast to draw and write notes with. It even had ATI graphics (HD3200). Unfortunately it died on me last year and I haven't been able to find an acceptable replacement at a reasonable price (convertible laptop with AMD or NVIDIA graphics, no more than $1.4k)
 
[citation][nom]husker[/nom]The Asus EP121 is not a table but is a "Tablet PC". The tablet PC is a much different animal than a tablet. It runs a pc operating system and has pc like specs. It also has a PC like price (currently around $1300 on amazon). It essentially is a laptop with the keyboard detached. As I mentioned before, simple tablets designed for content consumption are not intended for heavy content creation.[/citation]

Spare us your personal definitions. "Tablet PC"s were actually a specific type of tablet running a specific version of windows XP. Tablets existed long before Apple introduced one as a "content consumption" device.

A more commonly used name for full featured tablets is "slate", by the way.
 
Intel aims too low. Using Atom for tablet design will be too underpowered. With ARM camp improving in performance rapidly, such spec will not match up and is already obsolete in performance comparison the first day when it becomes available. I already own a Windows 7 tablet using dual core Atom and I have never been impressed by its performance, even more so now that ARM is running at 1.5GHz range and with 4 cores.
 
Bigdragon, whether you like it or not, the tablet has been redefined by Apple. It is not a "TabletPC" anymore. What you have is NOT a tablet by today's defintion (ipad). Intel's specs are for current day tablets. Furthermore, Ultrabooks do have touch now and some will be convertibles and have drawing capability on the screen (for cartographers, artists, etc.). This tablet spec is for always-connected devices that run all day on 1 charge.

tabletman, you couldn't be more wrong. ARM is less powerful than ATOM based on just about every useful benchmark and those are compared to single core, not dual core ATOMs. There are no Win 8 ARMs out right now much like there are no ATOM Win 8 systems out. We're talking quarter 4. ARM isn't ramping up that rapidly. Give me a break! 1.5 GHz is great, but Intel is talking about 2 GHz on ATOM before year's end. 2 GHz dual core ATOM is faster than anything 4 core ARM. Please stop with this ARM is faster nonsense. It simply isn't true right now. ARM may be lower powered, but not faster.
 
I feel like these things are for hipsters and idiots who don't understand or appreciate the difference in quality of what technology can offer and just aimlessly dump their money on things they really didn't need just so they can follow current fads....sorry seems like a run on sentence.
 
[citation][nom]erunion[/nom]Spare us your personal definitions. "Tablet PC"s were actually a specific type of tablet running a specific version of windows XP. Tablets existed long before Apple introduced one as a "content consumption" device.A more commonly used name for full featured tablets is "slate", by the way.[/citation]
Please spare us your condescending tone. The tablet PC is how the device is described by the web sites that sell them. I am not making up my own personal definitions.
 
[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]I'm a digital artist and developer on the go. I don't like Intel's specs at all. I really hope manufacturers buck Intel's desired definition of what a tablet should be and bring us more devices like the Asus EP121. Of all the tablets I have used that has been my favorite. The Atom-based tablets have been miserable failures. They're simply too slow to get any real work done with them.I want to buy a 10 to 13 inch tablet with a Wacom digitizer and a CPU that is at least twice as strong as an Atom. The only thing at this point that would make the EP121 better is if it had AMD or Nvidia graphics inside. I'm sure Intel doesn't want anyone building the device I want to buy because it would eat into Ultrabook sales. What a shame.[/citation]

[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]How many tablets? Many. Fujitsu Q550, HP Slate, Lenovo S10, and a couple more. I have to evaluate these things for their applicability for the work environment given the current tablet fad. I was quite fond of the Samsung Series 7, but its reduced screen resolution vs the Asus EP121 was a real downer. When you look at it objectively the mobile i5 reduced battery life is an acceptable tradeoff against the Atom for dramatically higher performance, more screen resolution, and a digitizer that doesn't lag. 3 hours is pretty good compared to the stuff we used to have that got 1 or 1.5 hours. I'm really not all that concerned that an EP121 doesn't stay powered as long as a Kindle. It's good enough. At least I don't have to wait 5 seconds for the junky Atom-based Q550 and its digitizer to decide how to draw the line I just drew.I'm not going to comment on phones and ARM and such. My goal is to raise an alarm bell that Intel wants to dumb down Windows 8 tablets into an arena dominated by the iPad and Android tabs. I want a powerful tablet for drawing, sculpting, and even scripting on the go. I want to use it for business and pleasure. Intel and Microsoft seem to want to position their tablets for media consumption. I can browse Facebook just fine on my phone and watch movies just fine on my Smart TV. Let's not forget about the high-end tablet niche the EP121 has dominated over the past year. I want to see a Windows 8 replacement. This article tells me we may not see such a thing because it competes with the Ultrabook.[/citation]

[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]Last time I checked the Motion Computing LE1700 I used to use and Asus EP121 I use now both had Intel logos on there. The LE1700 is from 2007, can be viewed in direct sunlight, has a C2D L7400 that smokes the Atom provided in the 2011 Fujitsu Q550, but only gets an hour of battery life unfortunately. I have been using tablets since before the iPad. The iPad, its form factor, and its purpose is not the be-all and end-all of tablet computing.I don't want an iPad and I don't want an Ultrabook. I can't do real work on an iPad, and I can't draw on the screen of an Ultrabook. It disturbs me that Intel wants to define what a Windows 8 tablet is to be such that it doesn't compete with Ultrabooks. This same sort of behavior torpedoed the netbook market. People can do so much more with these types of devices. Let's not use another spec list to constrain them to existing in an over-saturated market dominated by iOS and Android. I don't think this is a recipe for success.[/citation]

[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]You should see peoples' faces light up when I bring out the EP121. Everyone asks me if it's the new iPad. I politely answer no while Photoshop or Blender loads. There is no way I would ever trade that for lugging around a desktop or a conventional laptop with its permanently-attached keyboard.[/citation]


These new Atoms are faster than the netbook ones and Windows 8 is much lighter than Windows 7. Besides that, this is to compete with stuff like the Android and iPad tablets. These aren't high end laptops without a keyboard like what you seem to want. The i5's reduced battery life is not acceptable for the majority of tablet users and the performance benefit doesn't matter too much for them either.

That the new Atoms seem to be able to compete with even the projected performance of the Cortex A15 ARM CPUs that we are still waiting for (according to Anand, some of these Atoms also have graphics performance equal to that of Apple's A5X chip).

Your basically saying that you don't want these because they are not focused on your niche market. Guess what, that is why it's a niche market... Most companies don't care much about it because most people don't and that makes it a low money market. There is a huge market for media consumption tablets, so both Intel and M$ wanted in on that. Your argument is like saying that a new Pentium based laptop is no good because the P4s suck (an analogy for your comparison of the old Atoms to these new ones) and because they aren't quad core i5/i7 based instead of Pentium based. Guess what, the low end market has more money, so it gets more focus.

You can say that you would like a new tablet to replace your EP121 for what you do, but your complaining about these machines is just whining because you didn't get what you wanted. You probably won't see a new tablet like the Asus EP121 at least until Ivy Bridge is released, if ever. I have no problem with you wanting a very high end tablet, but these are obviously for a different market.

the tablet with laptop CPU market is like the laptop with desktop CPU market; very small. I wasn't pissed about the X58 laptop not being upgraded to X79 until a while after X79 came out, just wait and you might see a replacement for the EP121. In that, I wish you luck. I admit that I would like to see a replacement for it because it's an interesting product, although I'd never spend the money on it even if I could afford it.
 
[citation][nom]MeinKompf[/nom]bigdragon, you don't know what you are talking about. There aren't any Intel tablets out there. The device you are talking about weighs a ton for a tablet (1.2 kg), has a mobile i5 in it, and only 4 hours of battery life. That device is less mobile than an ultrabook!!! It is also less powerful than the ultrabooks that will be released in a month. The price tag of $1300 isn't exactly nice either. These are TRUE tablets that weight ounces, have 10 hours of battery life, and are smaller. For your applications, the ASUS tablet (if you want to call it that) is perfect! The tablets that you are looking at here are not extremely powerful. They ARE more powerful than the tablets you are seeing out there now. This is a dual core version of a single core processor that has already proven to be more powerful than the ARM CPs out there right now. They also have similar battery life and will run a full version of Win8, not just the metro ARM Win 8. These will be good products for on the go people, just not for someone who needs to do the things you are doing.Oh yeah, it won't run Crisis.[/citation]

[citation][nom]husker[/nom]The Asus EP121 is not a table but is a "Tablet PC". The tablet PC is a much different animal than a tablet. It runs a pc operating system and has pc like specs. It also has a PC like price (currently around $1300 on amazon). It essentially is a laptop with the keyboard detached. As I mentioned before, simple tablets designed for content consumption are not intended for heavy content creation.[/citation]


A laptop with an X58/X79 in it is still a laptop. Just because it is a beast of one doesn't make it something that it is not. The EP121 is a tablet and it isn't the only Intel tablet. Also, the Medfield processors are to compete not with the Cortex A9s that have a little more than half the performance per core than Medfield, but they are to compete with Cortex A15. Cortex A15 probably has higher IPC than, but will generally have lower clock frequencies than Medfield's top CPUs. Basically, the two will probably have similar performance per core. This is why the Medfields look so much better than the current ARMs... Even if they get out before A15, that is no different than how the 7970 came out weeks before it's competition and thus was compared with Nvidia's previous generation instead of Nvidia's newer cards because Nvidia didn't have newer cards out at the time.

The next version of Medfield is also supposed to be vastly superior to the current version. Keep in mind that the current Medfields are 32nm processors and the next ones should be 22nm Tri Gate/3D transistor and that Intel has the next Medfield already set to have significant architectural improvements too.
 
[citation][nom]tabletchild[/nom]Bigdragon, whether you like it or not, the tablet has been redefined by Apple. It is not a "TabletPC" anymore. What you have is NOT a tablet by today's defintion (ipad). Intel's specs are for current day tablets. Furthermore, Ultrabooks do have touch now and some will be convertibles and have drawing capability on the screen (for cartographers, artists, etc.). This tablet spec is for always-connected devices that run all day on 1 charge. tabletman, you couldn't be more wrong. ARM is less powerful than ATOM based on just about every useful benchmark and those are compared to single core, not dual core ATOMs. There are no Win 8 ARMs out right now much like there are no ATOM Win 8 systems out. We're talking quarter 4. ARM isn't ramping up that rapidly. Give me a break! 1.5 GHz is great, but Intel is talking about 2 GHz on ATOM before year's end. 2 GHz dual core ATOM is faster than anything 4 core ARM. Please stop with this ARM is faster nonsense. It simply isn't true right now. ARM may be lower powered, but not faster.[/citation]

Medfield Atoms have similar, somewhat greater performance per core than the netbook Atoms, or about double the performance per core over the Cortex A9s. The Cortex A15s seem to be about double to triple the IPC of the Cortex A9, but Medfield has higher clock frequencies to help alleviate that. A quad core A15 would hammer a dual core Medfield. A quad core Tegra 3 would hammer a single core Medfield in CPU performance (but get hammered in GPU performance because despite being made by Nvidia, Tegra sucks for graphics).

Is ARM faster now? Well, no, but Medfield isn't out yet anyway, is it? When Cortex A15 comes out, then ARM will probably be either on par with Intel or winning again.
 
@bigdragon

i understand what you're trying to say here, but i don't think we should panic that much. See, you're talking about tablet PCs, and they'll probably continue to exist. This stuff is Intel's version of a consumption device with just enough power and features to integrate into a business environment.

They wouldn't want it to cut into their phone segment or their ultrabook market. While these new Atoms aren't the same beasts as the mobile i5 chips are in Tablet PCs, they should be up to the job. Remember, these Atoms will be based on SB/IB architecture, and at least their SoCs used in the new phones up till now have been pretty good. I think the same could be expected from these tablet Atoms.

While i don't really understand the point of having a one-inch difference in screen size (i'm guessing that the resolution and aspect ratio on the two models would be very different), i think the internal hardware is sound.

After all, we know that Pentiums broke free of the "slow" image with the SB chips, I'm sure Atoms will manage the same.

Hell, if they don't, they might as well burn. 😀

It's just that i think both MS and Intel have too much riding on this for it to be a flop. Both companies have access to consumers as well as businesses, and the tablet/smartphone space pretty much excludes them.

For artists and designers, anything other than Tablet PCs may always be undesirable. But for most people, given the choice of a $1000+ tablet PC and a $500 atom based win 8 tablet, i have a really strong feeling they'd buy the atom tablet.
 
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