News Intel says Lunar Lake will have 100+ TOPS of AI performance — 45 TOPS from the NPU alone, meeting requirement for next-gen AI PCs

[Admin]

At Vision 2024, Intel announced that its Lunar Lake processor, the company's next-gen laptop chip, provides 100+ TOPS of performance in AI workloads, with 45 of those TOPS coming from the NPU alone.

Intel says Lunar Lake will have 100+ TOPS of AI performance — 45 TOPS from the NPU alone, meeting requirement for next-gen AI PCs : Read more

 

[NinoPino]

Big numbers. Another wave of good machines thrown in the garbage because are not "AI PCs" ?

 

[ThomasKinsley]

System TOPS vs NPU TOPS. Didn't know corporations made a distinction and I can't help but wonder if Intel is trying to make their chip sound better than it really is.

 

[ThomasKinsley]

Big numbers. Another wave of good machines thrown in the garbage because are not "AI PCs" ?

If anyone wants a true AI PC then they should wait a bit. The current AI PCs are neither good enough for AI or traditional usage, and they use a lot of battery. Give it 4-5 years and we'll see AI accelerators that make the current NPUs look like a joke.

 

[usertests]

45 of those TOPS coming from the NPU alone. That's 3X the AI performance of Intel's current-gen chips

More like 4.5X the performance. Or are they comparing to the number nobody cares about?

 

[Jagar123]

At this time I just don't care about NPU TOPS performance. It comes off like ray tracing which was announced 5 years+ ago. 5 years later and I still don't care for ray tracing. I guess it's market hype and sells products but damn am I tired of that.

 

[usertests]

Big numbers. Another wave of good machines thrown in the garbage because are not "AI PCs" ?

If I can get a refurbished i5-12400T PC for $100 because of Copilot hype, then bless M$.

 

[JamesJones44]

Big numbers. Another wave of good machines thrown in the garbage because are not "AI PCs" ?

Yes and no. Right now, yes for sure. However, as applications integrate more ML models into their applications NPUs will be beneficial. The issue IMO is there is very little way to quantify slow, ok, fast at the NPU level for consumers at the moment and so most of this is looks like noise (and is until there are more content that leverages NPU compute).

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips are the elephant in the room

Not really. Windows On ARM devices is still pretty hit or miss according to if the software has a native ARM version or if it needs to be emulated, and if they're anywhere near as outrageously expensive as the current Snapdragon laptops are then they're not even going to be in the same market segment.

 

[alby13]

System TOPS vs NPU TOPS. Didn't know corporations made a distinction and I can't help but wonder if Intel is trying to make their chip sound better than it really is.

wonder no more; yes Intel is trying to make their chip sound better than it really is. Intel is tied with their advertising side, and it's off-putting. i would never take Intel's performance information without doing research.

 

[bluvg]

More like 4.5X the performance. Or are they comparing to the number nobody cares about?

I wondered about the "3x" also. I think it's total system TOPS for MTL (I've seen estimates of ~35 TOPS) vs. LNL. All the systems today seem to schedule between CPU/GPU/NPU based on perf and power; not sure how that will change as NPU TOPS go up, but it looks like the relative importance of total TOPS vs. NPU-only TOPS varies on use case.

 

[Giroro]

My current PC opens a web browser just fine, so it's more than capable of letting me infinitely subscribe to every AI workload that will ever matter.

I could have 100,000x my current local AI performance, and it won't matter. These companies will never, ever, let people install their best tools locally. Not when they want to make you pay per prompt. Not when they want to own both the input and output.

The only people who benefit from AI PCs are people smart enough to have a lucrative job in the industry writing this software, but dumb enough to walk away from the cash grab, mid bubble.

 

[Giroro]

At this time I just don't care about NPU TOPS performance. It comes off like ray tracing which was announced 5 years+ ago. 5 years later and I still don't care for ray tracing. I guess it's market hype and sells products but damn am I tired of that.

Hey now, Nvidia has a lot of RTX games now.
It might be deliberately misleading marketing since 95% of those games might not have ray tracing of any kind, but why should Nvidia care? They don't even want us peasant gamers to buy their products in the first place.

 

[frogr]

Not so Fast - Intel is only running towards the starting line

"Intel appears to have a running start with its Core Ultra Meteor Lake chips. Gelsinger says the company has already shipped five million AI PCs to date and plans to ship 40 million units by the end of the year. That's a solid start ... "
Nothing Intel is shipping meets the 45TOPS minimum, "Meteor Lake chips only provide 10 TOPS."

 

[usertests]

Alder Lake is already heavily discounted, being 2 gens old. Also, T series is a niche product, which means it's not sensitive to mainstream changes. I think you'll be waiting for a long time.

Going low power with desktop part is a bad idea anyway. You're saving negligible power (35W vs 65W) for double the cost of 12400. If low-power is your thing, a mini-PC or laptop with a mobile CPU, eg Ryzen 7040 series, is the better option.

It's the kind of chip that's used in Dell OptiPlex PCs for example, which would be refurbished and dumped onto the market if the corporate world saw the need to upgrade everything, adopting models with NPUs.

Give me that 24-core i9-14900T for $150 (complete system price), my body is ready.

 

[Psiboy69]

At Vision 2024, Intel announced that its Lunar Lake processor, the company's next-gen laptop chip, provides 100+ TOPS of performance in AI workloads, with 45 of those TOPS coming from the NPU alone.

Intel says Lunar Lake will have 100+ TOPS of AI performance — 45 TOPS from the NPU alone, meeting requirement for next-gen AI PCs : Read more

Since when does Pat Gelsinger have pink fingernails? You sure you got the right photo there? Lisa Su perhaps? The lazy toms hardware strikes again... Bahaha