News Intel shows integrated Arc GPU for Meteor Lake is, on average, 54% faster than previous gen Core i7-1370P

[Admin]

Intel provided the first benchmarks showing how the integrated Arc GPU in Meteor Lake stacks up to its predecessor, with up to twice the gaming performance, plus XeSS support. Laptops with the new processors are now available.

Intel shows integrated Arc GPU for Meteor Lake is, on average, 54% faster than previous gen Core i7-1370P : Read more

 

[Marlin1975]

As much power as they pull at 100% I would hope so.

Seems like minor gains at best and higher power usage at worse.

 

[thisisaname]

we can at least start with the Intel number — sprinkled with salt, as usual for any manufacturer-provided tests.

Shame we can not trust manufacturer-provided tests.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

As much power as they pull at 100% I would hope so.

Seems like minor gains at best and higher power usage at worse.

It's not actually clear how much power the chips are using for these workloads. Base TDP is 28W, peak power draw of 115W... but I don't think these chips sustain that for more than a very short burst. But independent testing is certainly needed.

I'm also disappointed there's no low power U-series part that uses the larger package. I want a Core Ultra 7 165U or whatever that has a 15W TDP but still gets the full eight Xe-core graphics.

 

[Amdlova]

Finaly a good IGP

 

[digitalgriffin]

Real PCMRs don't game on laptops. I know it's a snobbish thing to say. But it's true. Casual gamers don't need much GPU power. And serious gamers need big screens, a good keyboard and mouse, no power limits, and long run times with easy maintenance. A laptop offers none of these. Laptop are great if you want to play something like city skylines 1 or civ on the road or airplane. But nothing serious. And if I'm on the road, I'm not sitting in a hotel room playing games.

GPU improvements are useful if there are productivity lifts though for things like Photoshop, premiere, and cinebench.

 

[Eximo]

As long as they can get the drivers right. I was lucky my laptop has the lowest end Nvidia card in it. Most websites have ads, ads made the Intel GPU give a blank screen until the ad was off the screen. Probably been fixed by now, but I see no reason to burden my CPU temps with website rendering.

 

[TerryLaze]

Real PCMRs don't game on laptops. I know it's a snobbish thing to say. But it's true. Casual gamers don't need much GPU power. And serious gamers need big screens, a good keyboard and mouse, no power limits, and long run times with easy maintenance. A laptop offers none of these. Laptop are great if you want to play something like city skylines 1 or civ on the road or airplane. But nothing serious. And if I'm on the road, I'm not sitting in a hotel room playing games.

GPU improvements are useful if there are productivity lifts though for things like Photoshop, premiere, and cinebench.

Sorry, but nobody cares about MR..
Have you heard about a little thing called steam deck?! That's enough gaming for the vast majority of gamers, as was and still is proven by the sales.
If intel can match that then they have to do it, sooner rather than later.

 

[gg83]

I can't wait to see some head to head comparisons!

 

[Giroro]

Sorry, but nobody cares about MR..
Have you heard about a little thing called steam deck?! That's enough gaming for the vast majority of gamers, as was and still is proven by the sales.
If intel can match that then they have to do it, sooner rather than later.

People selling $300 racecar chairs and $100 "streamer" LED lamps care a whole lot about MR...

 

[thestryker]

Hardware Canucks got a pre-release Asus Zenbook 14 and ran some testing though they said there were weird stability issues they couldn't nail down other than suggesting firmware issue.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obtc24lwbrw


Here's a few screen grabs of some of the gaming results:

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Hardware Canucks got a pre-release Asus Zenbook 14 and ran some testing though they said there were weird stability issues they couldn't nail down other than suggesting firmware issue.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obtc24lwbrw


Here's a few screen grabs of some of the gaming results:

Yeah, I’d honestly be surprised if there weren’t some oddities with new Arc integrated graphics. It’s different enough that the base driver code will likely need tuning.

 

[CelicaGT]

Yeah, I’d honestly be surprised if there weren’t some oddities with new Arc integrated graphics. It’s different enough that the base driver code will likely need tuning.

Hoping Arc gets sorted, both for a diversified industry (competition good) reasons and the fact that these new chips would be great in a mini PC for light gaming. Lots of options from AMD already but morerer is betterer and I'm in the market to build a Zwift box to bolt on the back of a TV.

 

[ingtar33]

so the trick intel pulled with their review samples is they shipped them out with juiced ram to make the FPS look better, the asus zenbook used in HC's review posted in this thread has ram you can't buy for those zenbooks.

the reality is meteor lake is a significant step backwards in performance across the board. some tech tubers are calling this "intel's bulldozer"

 

[thestryker]

so the trick intel pulled with their review samples is they shipped them out with juiced ram to make the FPS look better, the asus zenbook used in HC's review posted in this thread has ram you can't buy for those zenbooks.

clearly Asus is lying because you said so https://press.asus.com/news/asus-zenbook-14-oled-ux3405-laptop-announced/

 

[Eximo]

Still not memory you can get in a typical modular laptop. But this isn't new. They can take advantage of the soldered close-by memory to increase speeds. Why not if you can.

 

[digitalgriffin]

Sorry, but nobody cares about MR..
Have you heard about a little thing called steam deck?! That's enough gaming for the vast majority of gamers, as was and still is proven by the sales.
If intel can match that then they have to do it, sooner rather than later.

Yet 90% of Toms articles talk about how every GPU/CPU/SSD/monitors (lag time/refresh rate) release affects game performance. For not caring about the PCMR they sure cator to it.

Steam deck runs at 720p most of the time. Still has relatively low sales numbers. (When you reach 1% of Xbox sales let me know) And AMD still wins at lower power consumption for power sensitive devices. Nintendo 6yo Switch might benefit if it wasn't so tied to Nvidia

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Yet 90% of Toms articles talk about how every GPU/CPU/SSD/monitors (lag time/refresh rate) release affects game performance. For not caring about the PCMR they sure cator to it.

Steam deck runs at 720p most of the time. Still has relatively low sales numbers. (When you reach 1% of Xbox sales let me know) And AMD still wins at lower power consumption for power sensitive devices. Nintendo 6yo Switch might benefit if it wasn't so tied to Nvidia

Are you even following Steam Deck sales? It’s already over 3 million, which is way more than “1%” of the Xbox Series X numbers. We don’t actually know if AMD wins at lower power vs MTL because no one has tested that scenario yet. Maybe it does, probably even, but you can’t just look at TDP ratings and declare a winner.

Intel isn’t planning a 15W MTL with the larger chip, though, so that’s also a factor. 4 Xe-core smaller chip will be half the GPU performance. But with cTDP, it’s possible to just use the larger chip and impose a lower power limit.

 

[CelicaGT]

Are you even following Steam Deck sales? It’s already over 3 million, which is way more than “1%” of the Xbox Series X numbers. We don’t actually know if AMD wins at lower power vs MTL because no one has tested that scenario yet. Maybe it does, probably even, but you can’t just look at TDP ratings and declare a winner.

Intel isn’t planning a 15W MTL with the larger chip, though, so that’s also a factor. 4 Xe-core smaller chip will be half the GPU performance. But with cTDP, it’s possible to just use the larger chip and impose a lower power limit.

Are Steam Deck sales seriously that high? That's awesome and I need to get one. I have a huge backlog of older Final Fantasy games I need to play through. DAMN YOU STEAM SALES!!

*Buys XV for 19CAD while typing this*

 

[digitalgriffin]

Are you even following Steam Deck sales? It’s already over 3 million, which is way more than “1%” of the Xbox Series X numbers. We don’t actually know if AMD wins at lower power vs MTL because no one has tested that scenario yet. Maybe it does, probably even, but you can’t just look at TDP ratings and declare a winner.

Intel isn’t planning a 15W MTL with the larger chip, though, so that’s also a factor. 4 Xe-core smaller chip will be half the GPU performance. But with cTDP, it’s possible to just use the larger chip and impose a lower power limit.

I will admit that is impressive. 21 million vs 3 million. (~15%) Seems Xbox isn't doing as well as hoped.

I've seen leaks that efficiency on MTL significantly drops at lower TDP. It's only marginally more efficient around the 45 to 65 watt limits. Then once you get outside that it drops off a cliff.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

I will admit that is impressive. 21 million vs 3 million. (~15%) Seems Xbox isn't doing as well as hoped.

I've seen leaks that efficiency on MTL significantly drops at lower TDP. It's only marginally more efficient around the 45 to 65 watt limits. Then once you get outside that it drops off a cliff.

I don't know about MTL efficiency. That was a big talking point for Intel and it's supposed to have much better battery life. However, it's possible that it goes into low power mode really well but doesn't do the in-between power limits that well. We'll have to see.

 

[circadia]

Real PCMRs don't game on laptops. I know it's a snobbish thing to say. But it's true. Casual gamers don't need much GPU power. And serious gamers need big screens, a good keyboard and mouse, no power limits, and long run times with easy maintenance. A laptop offers none of these. Laptop are great if you want to play something like city skylines 1 or civ on the road or airplane. But nothing serious. And if I'm on the road, I'm not sitting in a hotel room playing games.

GPU improvements are useful if there are productivity lifts though for things like Photoshop, premiere, and cinebench.

I can assure you 100% that PCMR encompasses and welcomes anyone using a computer, including even Mac owners. Just ask the creators of PCMR.

 

[digitalgriffin]

I can assure you 100% that PCMR encompasses and welcomes anyone using a computer, including even Mac owners. Just ask the creators of PCMR.

You also claim games like bubble pop and royal match on phone are real gamers too. But they are an entirely different class.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

You also claim games like bubble pop and royal match on phone are real gamers too. But they are an entirely different class.

I really don't like the elitist attitude that some have regarding the games people play. I test PC games at high settings and resolutions, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that you absolutely have to be running at 4K or even 1080p, with maxed out or even medium quality settings, to enjoy playing "real" games. In fact, some of the best games I've ever played were far, FAR less taxing.

We're not talking about Bubble Pop or Royal Match either. I'm certain you can get a pretty good gaming experience at 1080p medium with the Radeon 780M and Arc iGPUs. And if you can't manage that, then at least 1080p medium using upscaling — gasp! — would suffice. Or hell, just run the games at 720p and let the display handle the upscaling.

Suggesting people not playing on a discrete GPU are not "real gamers" or are "in an entirely different class" is stupid. People who play games on Steam Deck are still gamers, and people that play on PS5 or Xbox are still gamers as well. Are they the exact same as people who own RTX 4090 cards? Obviously not, but I bet there are a lot of hard-core gamers using pretty mediocre hardware but playing for 30+ hours a week, while a bunch of RTX 4090 owners probably have to work and deal with real life and thus only play ~5 hours a week.

PS: PCMR is also stupid. There, I've said it.