Intel Tejas & Socket 775

[oymd]

We've all heard that the tejas has been cancelled...and I've been holding out to get the new platform..whatever it was...

Being the owner of a "423 socket/ 850 chipset"...and dont want to get screwed again...as I've been stuck with my mobo and processor with no upgradability eversince i bought them...

so would anyone kindly point out the upcoming roadmap...what's the next socket, processor...and if they will last or are just temporary shifts to a newer platform...

thanks

 

[oymd]

nevermind...did some researching....

So ..is it :

Grantsdale/Alderwood on a socket 775 with the newer Prescotts??

 

[pitsi]

I hardly consider Prescott the "new platform". It's just an intermediate step for Intel until they have their Pentium M ready for the desktop. That is probably going to be the next big thing.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I don't know about that... I mean. LGA775 isn't even known to us yet, and it might turn out that Prescott gets quite respectable by the end of 2004. Remember, it is going to inherit much of Tejas' features: 2MB cache, 1066Mhz FSB and 64-bit extensions...

But you're right, the next killer chip from Intel will probably take some time to materialize... It'll, however, be a fresh, clean new start with dual-core, energy-efficient processors possibly based on Dothan architecture.

Interesting things to come, hopefully. Right now, though, I think Prescott isn't to be recommended at all.

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[americium]

if it turns out to be true and the new LGA775 socket will give the high-end consumers a big headache because the breaking pins problem seen in CeBit2004 then i'd have to say this is going to be the 2nd 'RDRAM' fiasco for Intel.

meaning, whoever buy a mobo using LGA775 socket might be forced to use adapters in a year when intel puts the pins back on the CPU.

but then again, i might be wrong and the mobo companies wont have a lot of RMAs. we'll have to wait and see

 

[ZER0]

they won't put the pins back on the cpu. if you break a pin on a p4 cpu that ranges from $140 to $500 that sucks. if u break one on the mother board you're only gonna be out $140 at most.

 

[trooper11]

no more like the motherbaord maker is out 140+

 

[juin]

I dont expect much before 2006

i need to change useur name.

 

[Crashman]

Hehe, but Intel told everyone who listened that Socket 423 was a temporary solution. So if you didn't actually read that info, it's your own fault for not looking.

Socket 939 should be around a while, when it comes out.

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[oymd]

yeah...u're most probably right on that...but i NEVER thought it would be THAT temporary....more like 2 months....damn i couldnt wait!!!

 

[Crashman]

You should have built a PIII or Athlon system! LOL. Sure, you'd still be SOL by now since older Athlon boards don't support newer processors, but you could have at least gotten SOME kind of upgrade by now.

I just modified an MSI KT266 board to support Thouroughbred cores a few weeks ago!

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[The_I]

Anyway, in my opinion upgradeability is overrated. I mean, why would you buy a new CPU and have it crippled by obsolete chipsets and ram?
At least in the last few years, when I’ve paid attention, most innovation has been in both CPU and the tings surrounding it, especially ram. For instance I have a moderately old p4 Northwood a (2 GHz), when or why would I ever upgrade the CPU without upgrading my motherboard and ram as well? Oh yes, if I wanted I could have put in a 3.066 but if I wanted to spend as much money as that would cost me at any time before it became obsolete (when the Northwood c came out) I might as well have bought a 2.8 GHZ when I first build my system, which wouldn’t have set me back more, and which would be almost as fast.
In my opinion the time when it’s a good idea to upgrade is when new innovation arrived, I thought about it when the i870 came out. But then, that would be as much the motherboard and the ram-system and then the upgradeability of my system would mean nada.
The CPU is almost as expensive as both motherboard and the ram (of course, it varies) so why not back your investment with those as well?

The only situation where I see upgrading only the CPU is if you’re so much of a power user that you just have to upgrade your 2.6 Northwood c (and in that case you’d at least have bought a 2.8 in the first place) to something like 3.2, and that’s silly in my opinion, simply.
One other exception is if you had an early socket 478 with RDRAM, as far as I know the 850/rdram combination didn’t evolve that much, but it kept being competitive, so upgrading something Williamette'ish or Northwood a’ish to say a Northwood b would make some sense I figure.
But in my opinion the fact remains that we may talk a lot about upgradeability but when does it really make sense? It hasn’t in my time…

 

[oymd]

Crash....since you've brought up the motherboard modding idea...I wonder if you can help me here...

I've been using my rig eversince 2001...and its been nothing but GREAT...VERY VERY STABLE...and no issues...however...lately i had to bite he dust and start upgrading some components....hope you can go thru them and give me your thoughts...

Abit TH-7 Raid/ i850(not the newer i850e)/ socket 423..grrr!
P4 Willy 1.5GHZ (never really needed more)
256 Elpida RDRAM 40ns (2x128)...now I know i've been holding off far too long on upgrading the ram...but its price was ridiculous in the past....
ATI Radeon DDR VIVO 64MB (beautiful card by the way) Max Payne 2 is silk smooth...and even Far Cry is....mmmmm...well....CRAP...ALL TEXTURES ARE BLACK...water is GREEN..lol...card has to go.......!!
Toshiba DVD 1502 just died...
Plextor 16/10/40....still kicking andthis thing is QUIET!!
Powmax 400 PSU burnt last month ..running some POS 300W..but winbond shows all rails ok..although under loads and in games...the rig starts a BEEPING symphony!!
IBM 60GXP 40GB...Made in Hungary...still fine....knocks on wood...
rest...bla bla...

Now...I'll be recieving a ATI 9800Pro this weekend...got it for 245 at bestbut...hope the choice of card was a smart move...

As for the big question.....my CPU/MOBO/RAM....

I'd hate to part with them..and I actually dont want to...not just yet...maybe when 775 comes out..but not for the current 865/875....

so...should i spend a fortune on another 2x128RDRAM...(4x128...hello...LATENCY)...and if I'm lucky find a 2.0GHZ 423 WILLY somewhere like on e-bay...or just stick with my 1.5GHZ and add ram.....
or mod the mobo..or the socket i mean and get a regular nothwood....but wait..my FSB is 100....WTF...

I'll shut up...

Mic's with you crash...what's your advice on this..??

 

[Crashman]

The old BX chipset was great all the way from the early PII to the Tualtin 1.4's....

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[Crashman]

LOL, OK first thing is, PowMax power supplies ALWAYS burn out. Well, you could get a Socket 423 to Socket 478 adapter and a P4 2.4A (or even a 2.6A if you can find one). Or you could replace the whole thing

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[Mephistopheles]

Also regarding future products like motherboards, it's interesting to think about Alienware's dual video card offering. It will probably last a lot longer without upgrading than any other alternative because of its sheer gaming horsepower, because its performance will probably be stellar.

Just think about it, they're considering Tumwater as a chipset, and they could just pop in two Noconas or one Prescott by the end of the year. If Intel gets moving, this prescott should have many more features (1066Mhz FSB, 2MB L2 cache, maybe even 64-bit extensions...) and this should be a killer rig...

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[trooper11]

yeah, but im going to wait and see, since the amd pci-e motherbaords will be coming soon and since the alienware system wont even be released until near the end of the year, i bet they will want to do a amd based system as well as an intel one, just by thier track record.

 

[Terracide]

In june 2002 I bourght:
Asus P4T-E(i850)
P4 2.4A
2 x 256 MB Samsung RDRAM(PC800)
Ti 4600
Maxtor 120 GB ATA HD
Audigy with Creative 5300 5.1

This has served me well, and will continue to do so, also after I upgrade to Dual Xeon 3.6 Ghz(My mind is set!).
I got my old PC's ranging from a Dual PIII 500Mhz 256 MB ECC SDRAM to a Pentium 166 32 MB SDRAM(6 PC's in all, both Intel and AMD) still up and running doing their different jobs, ranging from fileserver to firewall to encoding, so the main rig is free for gaming when I feel for it

But my main P4 has never let me down.,never done a "Blue screen of death", never locked up og never had any "hick-ups", so don't flame the i850 chipset...

Terracide...

Don't pretend - BE!

 

[P4Man]

>The old BX chipset was great all the way from the early PII
>to the Tualtin 1.4's....

Agreed, but would you upgrade to a tualatin on a P2 motherboard without USB 1.1 or 2.0, without firewire, with AGP 2x, ATA33 (!), that can't boot from CD, ... ? Or would you replace the board the board as well... ?

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[oymd]

i did some searching and i bumped into this...are they any good...

http://www.powerleap.com./PL-P4N.html


plus they claim i can use a P4 2.8A...is there any CPU like that...and with my current 100MHZ FSB that means i'll need to go up with the multiplier all the way to 28x...is that possible..or i'll have to change the bios as well??

 

[Crashman]

I used an ATA100 card, didn't need USB 2.0 (although you can get that and firewire on a single card), AGP2x wasn't a problem with my Radeon DDR, and every single BX board I've ever owned could boot off CD.

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[Crashman]

I'm sure you could find something cheaper, I used to see them for around $10. No, I've never seen a 2.8A, but I've heard rumors. I've actually seen 2.6A's quite frequently. And your board could probably run the "B" processors as well if you reduced the memory ratio and overclocked the FSB. The i850 and i850E were exactly the same chipset, Intel just renamed them when they started validating them at the higher bus speed.

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