News Intel Unveils Comet Lake Processors, 14nm Chips Join 10nm in 10th-Gen Lineup

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Intel is really screwing up, now you can't even tell which is the latest process. These comet lakes aren't really any different arch. or node. They have the 10nm process working so produce them for 10 series and leave 9 series for the old gen./arch. and stop ticking people off.
 

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Intel also says that "some" 10th-Gen models will come with Dynamic Tuning Technology that uses pre-trained AI algorithms to predictively adapt based on usage patterns, but that is a feature of the Ice Lake processors, so Comet Lake users will not get the feature.
This sounds like another ripe target for side-channel exploits.
 

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This is stupidly confusing for the average consumer.
The average "Consumer" can't tell you what processor or motherboard they currently have. Asking them to identify the next generations isn't going to confuse them any worse. They only thing most of them will see or hear are keywords like "Intel 10th Generation" or "The newest Intel....".

Its mostly technocrats such as ourselves, that actually care to identify them, that will be confused.

The biggest people that Intel is trying to impress are the stockholders. And with any stockholder, you either dazzle them with Intelligence, or Baffle them with BS. We will soon see what Intel is pushing...

As long as they keep pushing out new processors, and making sale goals, Intel has a lot of free reign to do what they want.
 

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They mislead investors by stating that 10nm was not canceled... they released a couple of 4 cores chips just to denied digitime article, however, as of now the article is way more credible than Intel actions.
Intel makes more than just PC CPUs. I bet Intel/Altera Agilex FPGAs make up a significant chunk of Intel's 10nm manufacturing as those have far larger profit margins than consumer parts. Intel's Xe is also supposed to be on 10nm.

Makes sense that a process that is so late to market with limited fab capacity (don't remember reading anything about Intel planning to expand 10nm beyond the fabs it developed it at) would be used exclusively for higher margin parts. What wouldn't make sense is scaling up a 10nm DUV process when 7nm EUV is much simpler and likely cheaper.
 

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It just proves that 10nm is in an even worst state as we thought. Intel cannot even supply their chips to OEMs due to yield. They mislead investors by stating that 10nm was not canceled... they released a couple of 4 cores chips just to denied digitime article, however, as of now the article is way more credible than Intel actions.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/279306-intel-denies-media-reports-claiming-it-cancelled-its-10nm-process
But it's not cancelled...
I don't know what digitimes article you're referring to, but are you claiming that Intel released 10nm CPUs just to prove an article wrong? Really? And you do realize that if Intel had knowingly mislead investors with their statements on 10nm, that would be illegal and grounds for a lawsuit, right?
 

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are you claiming that Intel released 10nm CPUs just to prove an article wrong? Really?
Since Intel has announced in an investor call that that it sorted out 10nm and was going into production with it, 10nm is clearly not canceled or that would open Intel up to liabilities for lying to investors. The only thing that got canceled is plans to migrate more existing fabs to 10nm in favor of skipping them to 7nm, which is the logical thing to do with 10nm being so many years overdue.
 
first of all, their 10nm process is only being used on their low powered mobile chips, the main reason for that is intel can't make 10nm work at higher voltages/clock speeds. This is why 10nm has been delayed as long as it has (that and terrible yeilds)

The root of intel's 10nm problems can be found in 2011, at the time intel had kicked AMD in the teeth with SB and bulldozer was a trashy mess. Without any real competition, intel set it's gaze on ARM, and has been working to make it's x86 chips competitive with ARM in the mobile market. that's been intel's focus for the last 7 years. they never really expected a real challenge from AMD and laid their plans on sinking ARM. Intel's 10nm was originally designed to do just that.

Between the low yeilds and AMD's resurgence, intel has been struggling to make a chip designed to crush low power low clock chips compete against AMD in the HEDT and enthusiast spaces. It simply can't, so they've been stuck running in place on 14nm as they try to hold off AMD long enough to create a 7nm process that can work in the HEDT market.
 
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first of all, their 10nm process is only being used on their low powered mobile chips
Just because it is the only product you know of does not make it the only product Intel makes on 10nm, Intel's Agilex FPGAs are made on 10nm too. Since FPGAs tend to land in high-end military, telecom and other specialty equipment where cost usually is no object and long-term contracts are commonplace, they get priority over consumer stuff.
 

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Intel makes more than just PC CPUs. I bet Intel/Altera Agilex FPGAs make up a significant chunk of Intel's 10nm manufacturing as those have far larger profit margins than consumer parts. Intel's Xe is also supposed to be on 10nm.

Makes sense that a process that is so late to market with limited fab capacity (don't remember reading anything about Intel planning to expand 10nm beyond the fabs it developed it at) would be used exclusively for higher margin parts. What wouldn't make sense is scaling up a 10nm DUV process when 7nm EUV is much simpler and likely cheaper.

Please... ROFL... if you were an investor, would THIS information, about 10nm never going to make it to the desktop and maybe server, make a difference between your decision to invest in the stock?

Answer is yes and a SEC investigation SHALL be done about this. They mislead investors... period. 10nm is not a profitable process and Intel is making it known however they cannot canned it because the lawsuits will just rain from investing law firms. We are talking about billions in investment.
 

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Just because it is the only product you know of does not make it the only product Intel makes on 10nm, Intel's Agilex FPGAs are made on 10nm too. Since FPGAs tend to land in high-end military, telecom and other specialty equipment where cost usually is no object and long-term contracts are commonplace, they get priority over consumer stuff.
Intel cashcow are servers... it is more than half their business. All their adventuring business, like 5G, are low level market. 10nm offering is inexistant, deal with it.
 

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But it's not cancelled...
I don't know what digitimes article you're referring to, but are you claiming that Intel released 10nm CPUs just to prove an article wrong? Really? And you do realize that if Intel had knowingly mislead investors with their statements on 10nm, that would be illegal and grounds for a lawsuit, right?
Tomato, tomahto...

It is inexistent... it is limited to small size, low power parts because the yield and the drop in frequency are so important that it is commercially UNVIABLE...

You will never see a 28 cores Xeon on 10nm. The next process node for pushing compute will be 7nm with EUV. 10nm doesn't exist, if it was, 14nm would not be pushed, 10nm would... the reason why this article is saying everything.
 

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But it's not cancelled...
I don't know what digitimes article you're referring to, but are you claiming that Intel released 10nm CPUs just to prove an article wrong? Really? And you do realize that if Intel had knowingly mislead investors with their statements on 10nm, that would be illegal and grounds for a lawsuit, right?
Semiaccurate, not digitime, made a mistake there, but the link is the right one...

And yes, this would be litigious... and yes it is likely to be the case that this is what happening. They are playing with words to make investors believe that 10nm will replace 14nm and we know it is not going to be the case. They are just playing dead right now until reality catch them up at Zen 3.

Let's not forget that the last CEO of Intel cashed in his stock when Intel was facing potential harm from Spectre and Meltdown disclosure. Intel doing something illegal... never happened in the past... like OEMs bribing and MOAP... they never been real... >:/

I don't trust this company and their track record is proving it.
 

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https://www.intc.com/investor-relations/investor-education-and-news/investor-news/press-release-details/2019/Intel-Reports-Second-Quarter-2019-Financial-Results/
Intel's client computing group revenue was $8.8B while their data center group (which includes servers) brought in $5B revenue.
Yeah, but you forget a couple of things...

SSD, GPU, CPU, Customs chips, Volatile Memory, Optane, Software... all data-center related. These market dropped around 15% year-over year. Data-center is their main business, don't lure yourself.
 

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They are playing with words to make investors believe that 10nm will replace 14nm and we know it is not going to be the case.
Intel never wrote that as far as I know. It was obvious that Intel's 10nm process was going to have a limited scope when other chip manufacturers announced that they were on-track with 7nm using EUV equipment while Intel was still sorting out its 10nm process. Makes no sense to invest billions in a full-scale 10nm DUV roll-out across multiple fabs when the process is obsolete on arrival. Intel will build whatever 10nm capacity it needs to meet existing commitments of 10nm stuff due to contractual obligations and that'll be pretty much it.
 
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Yeah, but you forget a couple of things...

SSD, GPU, CPU, Customs chips, Volatile Memory, Optane, Software... all data-center related. These market dropped around 15% year-over year. Data-center is their main business, don't lure yourself.
Regarding me "forgetting" that stuff, you're the one claiming that their server [CPUs] are what matter, not all their other "adventuring" product lines.

But sure, let's add in storage/memory revenue. And look at results for Q2 2018, where revenues for those business groups were higher. You get $6.56B, out of total $17B revenue. Still well short of being "more than half of their business".
 
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Intel never wrote that as far as I know. It was obvious that Intel's 10nm process was going to have a limited scope when other chip manufacturers announced that they were on-track with 7nm using EUV equipment while Intel was still sorting out its 10nm process. Makes no sense to invest billions in a full-scale 10nm DUV roll-out across multiple fabs when the process is obsolete on arrival. Intel will build whatever 10nm capacity it needs to meet existing commitments of 10nm stuff due to contractual obligations and that'll be pretty much it.

ROFL... you are schilling pal... every time Intel switched to a new process node, they switched their production toward it, 10nm is the exception. They always let the public BELIEVE that 10nm would be taking over...


Intel contests this claim:
Media reports published today that Intel is ending work on the 10nm process are untrue. We are making good progress on 10nm. Yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared during our last earnings report.
— Intel News (@intelnews) October 22, 2018

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Intel Unveils Comet Lake Processors, 14nm Chips Join 10nm in 10th-Gen Lineup

 
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Intel is building 10nm Ice Lake Server chips up to 26 cores and pcie4, 10nm Snow Ridge, 10nm Agilex FPGAs, 10nm NNP-I, 10nm Lakefield, 10nm Tiger Lake with 10nm integrated Xe graphics, and 10nm Ice Lake with 10nm integrated gen11 graphics. They've stated they are shipping Ice Lake laptop chips in volume since May, with Dell taking orders for ice lake laptops since Aug 8.

 

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