News Intel Unveils Core CPU and Arc GPU Bundles, Balanced PC Builds

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Intel’s Balanced CPU and GPU combos and system builds aim to bring balanced bang for the buck.

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[-Fran-]

Here we go! Finally starting point for the big push to OEMs bundling things together in order to get nVidia and AMD out of the way! Well, more nVidia than AMD, but still.

Let's see how it progresses from here on out, as I'm really interested in how they'll play this one.

Regards.

 

[helper800]

Here we go! Finally starting point for the big push to OEMs bundling things together in order to get nVidia and AMD out of the way! Well, more nVidia than AMD, but still.

Let's see how it progresses from here on out, as I'm really interested in how they'll play this one.

Regards.

We had AMD CPUs save us from Intel. Its seems Intel may save us from both Nvidia and AMDs uninspiring GPUs. Things are about to go full circle.

 

[TerryLaze]

Here we go! Finally starting point for the big push to OEMs bundling things together in order to get nVidia and AMD out of the way!

Because Nvidia and AMD had such great (and so many) low end GPUs available the last few gens???
Intel will be the only one to have new GPUs in that price range at all.
This is nvidia and amd presenting them that part of the market on a silver platter.

 

[-Fran-]

Because Nvidia and AMD had such great (and so many) low end GPUs available the last few gens???
Intel will be the only one to have new GPUs in that price range at all.
This is nvidia and amd presenting them that part of the market on a silver platter.

I mean, the 6400 exists and before that there have been other super low end models from both AMD and nVidia. Let's try and forget about the 1630, but hey, they still kind of tried? XD

But my point is not what you're referring to. I'm on the inclination of paying attention at how Intel does it, not what it offers.

I'll just save you time and agree to disagree with everything you'll say after this

Regards.

 

[Eximo]

RX6400 and 6500XT are certainly somewhat useful, but the limit to 4x lanes makes them not amazing with older systems. Whereas a generation back all the cards were at least 8x, but they have slowly creeped out of a reasonable price range.

GTX1630 was an overpriced mess, often $10 more for the GTX 1650 or even the opposite.

A380 has flaws, though it is more fully featured and inexpensive for the performance level. Need Rebar and an 8-pin PCIe connector though which limits use in older systems again. Makes the RX6600 more attractive for older systems that have an 8-pin. (though I found that with modern games the A380 worked pretty well even without rebar)

 

[MeeLee]

They'd be better off selling one of their cpus with an arc gpu built in.

Like a 4c8t, 4Ghz cpu, matched with a built in Arc igp hosting 64 eus, and 2k shaders running at half the cpu frequency, or 2Ghz.

Additional to that, the igp has access to it's own dual channel memory lanes (eg: 2x 8GB DDR4 or DDR5 used as vram), separate from the system ram, and the igp gets data directly from the cpu ring bus, using a connection much faster than pcie 4.0 x4.

With current lithography at 5nm, such cpu could be made under 90W tdp, and I had hoped an eco mode would be available like amd has on their ryzen cpus.

 

[MeeLee]

RX6400 and 6500XT are certainly somewhat useful, but the limit to 4x lanes makes them not amazing with older systems. Whereas a generation back all the cards were at least 8x, but they have slowly creeped out of a reasonable price range.

GTX1630 was an overpriced mess, often $10 more for the GTX 1650 or even the opposite.

A380 has flaws, though it is more fully featured and inexpensive for the performance level. Need Rebar and an 8-pin PCIe connector though which limits use in older systems again. Makes the RX6600 more attractive for older systems that have an 8-pin. (though I found that with modern games the A380 worked pretty well even without rebar)

The rx6400 really only need pcie 3.0 x4 lanes, as they worked just fine for most applications all the way to a much faster rtx 2080.
The difference between x4 and x8 is just 10%.

8 pin connector is easy to get.
You can either do an 8 pin to 2x 6 pin, and convert a 6 pin to 2 different sata connectors, or a 4 pin power connector. So long your psu is 500W, and you don't short the wires, you'll be ok.

 

[MeeLee]

Because Nvidia and AMD had such great (and so many) low end GPUs available the last few gens???
Intel will be the only one to have new GPUs in that price range at all.
This is nvidia and amd presenting them that part of the market on a silver platter.

Amd is fixing a new budget gpu to compete with Intel; one in the $300 range.

 

[Ogotai]

Intel will be the only one to have new GPUs in that price range at all.

unless all you do is browse the web, do office work etc, in other words, dont play games, intels gpus all pretty much suck. i dont know anyone that is even looking at arc any more. they were when it was announced, but not any more

 

[TerryLaze]

unless all you do is browse the web, do office work etc, in other words, dont play games, intels gpus all pretty much suck. i dont know anyone that is even looking at arc any more. they were when it was announced, but not any more

If every group of people you don't know about didn't exist then the Earth would be empty.
There are enough people that have to get PCs for their kids just to play fortnite and minecraft on, or whatever kids play these days.
iGPU alone doesn't cut it and the mainstream offerings are all expensive or crap.

 

[Amdlova]

I want one but need to modify bios to get work the rebar function. Amd rx 6400 and 6500 is a joke how many computers out there with pcie 3 slot needing a graphics and can't do because that shift has nvme slot configuration.

 

[Dr3ams]

"Although Intel's high-end Core i9 CPUs are among the best processors for gaming and are usually chosen by enthusiasts"

Not this enthusiast. Also, I personally know a lot of gamers who built their rigs with AMD, not Intel, CPUs. I'm not saying this because I am a fanboy. Since 1995 I have used both Intel and AMD CPUs, I'm just saying that gamers and their choices come in more than one flavor.

"Intel's current Arc A700-series graphics cards can offer an attractive balance between performance and price (which is why they are among the best graphics cards money can buy)."

You've got to be joking. There is a ton of review and test videos on YouTube that say just the opposite.

Here, start with this one:

"However, they aren't a choice for high-end enthusiasts' builds."

Or even mid-range enthusiasts. It's because they're crap cards. Maybe Intel's next gen cards will be different, but right now I wouldn't recommend them to any gamer.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

This site falls all over themselves with anything Intel and Nvidia. It’s all horse crap

 

[sherhi]

The last thing I want is to be a beta tester for billion dollar company with it´s brand new product (A770) that is on par with well established and cheaper competition (6600/6650 XT) in my country (how is that even possible with brand new product with 0 market/consumer history and plagued with many problems from the get go is beyond me). Maybe I would buy it if it was atleast 30% cheaper than comparable established card, maybe some extra warranty would not hurt, and also some kind of "return for your money back while under warranty without any reason" policy would definitely help...

 

[ManDaddio]

You know what kills me? The fact that everyone through a hissy-fit over Nvidia wanting to buy ARM. But they are ok with AMD and now Intel shooting for selling CPU/GPU apus and combos.
If Nvidia gets pushed out or aside it's not gonna be good for gamers or Nvidia will just focus on high end gpus that sell for a premium.
AMD and Intel are not your friends. Intel is doing this because they have to to get market share just like AMD had to do.
Stop defending corporations people.

At least when I talk about Nvidia it's from a feature perspective. It's not simply opinion. Nvidia has to make money. It's a business. If they sell high then that's their right.

Intel has to get ARC moving so they sell low for now. It's business. Not because your are special.

 

[cyrusfox]

If Nvidia gets pushed out or aside it's not gonna be good for gamers

What timeline are you from???

Nvidia is dominant due to software and performance, why they can charge nearly $2000 for the top of the line GPU and their A100 is peerless, the only choice out there for AI. The market needs more competitors. Nvidia held top spot while being on inferior manufacturing nodes at Samsung against an AMD that fumbled the opportunity.

Intel is currently figuring out how hard it is to break in to new markets and how different making a competent dGPU is from the standard iGPU. The low end will be squeezed out by better iGPU (1650 ti level performance), but that is in silicon that is still unreleased. I am still waiting for Arc to go on clearance so I can pick it up and play with, problem is I can find GTX 1080 cards at reasonable prices ($100 used) so I am likely not going to bother. Hope bundling helps Intel move inventory and they stay alive in the discrete desktop space for Battlemage and Celestial. Be a pity if they cancel another division right before they hit their stride.

 

[TerryLaze]

What timeline are you from???

q3 23
62 M units CPUs sold (igpu)
14 M units dGPUs sold

If nvidia would be selling a GPU to every existing CPU I would agree with you, but they are only selling a few (comparatively) high-end GPUs to gamers.

 

[helper800]

q3 23
62 M units CPUs sold (igpu)
14 M units dGPUs sold

If nvidia would be selling a GPU to every existing CPU I would agree with you, but they are only selling a few (comparatively) high-end GPUs to gamers.

Nvidia has a stranglehold at every single level of product they sell. Name a market segment they do not have at least 75% share that they sell products for.

 

[TerryLaze]

Nvidia has a stranglehold at every single level of product they sell. Name a market segment they do not have at least 75% share that they sell products for.

They have 75% out of a quarter of CPUs made...only 22-25% of people with CPUs buy a GPU...
If iGPUs, especially AMD ones that are already almost there, get any better nvidia will have an even smaller share.
If intel actually manages to make big sales numbers nvidia will have an even smaller share still.

I'm not saying they are in danger, I'm just saying that that comment that cyrusfox quoted wasn't that crazy.

 

[helper800]

They have 75% out of a quarter of CPUs made...only 22-25% of people with CPUs buy a GPU...
If iGPUs, especially AMD ones that are already almost there, get any better nvidia will have an even smaller share.
If intel actually manages to make big sales numbers nvidia will have an even smaller share still.

I'm not saying they are in danger, I'm just saying that that comment that cyrusfox quoted wasn't that crazy.

I agree that the comment was more on the sane side if you take it as a hypothetical rather than take it as implying Nvidia is in danger or any sort. The more competition in these industries the better. Nvidia just seems the opposite of competition because they are the big player in theirs. And as always caveat emptor, no company is out there to be your friend or savior.

 

[rluker5]

I agree with Fran.
Intel's dgpus aren't the fastest, but they are good for a mainstream HP type OEM.
The drivers also seem more stable than AMD.
And my A750 is better for general desktop stuff than my 6800.

They seem to be a good fit for OEM builds: good, cheap and dependable.

 

[Ogotai]

If every group of people you don't know about didn't exist then the Earth would be empty.

what does that have to do with anything? and BTW, nice personal insult there too, pathetic . i was referring to my friends, co workers and other people i know

There are enough people that have to get PCs for their kids just to play fortnite and minecraft on, or whatever kids play these days.

i wouldnt punish my kinds with an intel gpu to play ANY game, IF it even plays, i would rather spend the extra money and get a vid card that i know works with anything, sorry to say, intels gpus are not it. have you seen Invalid Error's experience with an arc gpu ?? it was not good at all

iGPU alone doesn't cut it and the mainstream offerings are all expensive or crap.

still better then a gpu that still has issues, and as invalid error's experience went, crashes most of the time.

sorry terry, but arc was quite late, drivers were clearly not ready when they finally released it, and even now, still not where near where they should have been on release day.

 

[rluker5]

what does that have to do with anything? and BTW, nice personal insult there too, pathetic . i was referring to my friends, co workers and other people i know


i wouldnt punish my kinds with an intel gpu to play ANY game, IF it even plays, i would rather spend the extra money and get a vid card that i know works with anything, sorry to say, intels gpus are not it. have you seen Invalid Error's experience with an arc gpu ?? it was not good at all


still better then a gpu that still has issues, and as invalid error's experience went, crashes most of the time.

sorry terry, but arc was quite late, drivers were clearly not ready when they finally released it, and even now, still not where near where they should have been on release day.

I'm currently using an A750. So far the only games I have found that don't work are Bayonetta and Agony. Not really the end of the world not having those work.
There were some older ones that would just play something like 4k60, and if you play DeusEx HR on the wrong DX mode you get poor performance around fire, but the problems are really overblown.
HWunboxed says Control doesn't work, but it works fine. It must be their install or maybe a cloud save issue.

If the Intel card gets you the same frames at the games and settings you play for the same amount of money then it is a better buy than AMD and worse than Nvidia.
This may change in the future. You never know.

 

[Ogotai]

If the Intel card gets you the same frames at the games and settings you play for the same amount of money then it is a better buy than AMD and worse than Nvidia

yea but the problem is, HOW do you tell ? with the amount of games, and programs for that matter, out there, there is really no way to know if something a person use will work on arc, unless you get one, and at $329 to $550 i dont want to find out. id rather spend that on a geforce or radeon, at least i know things will work