I disagree on the conclusion. Intel is not dumb. As soon as the first Ryzen models came to market, and caught everyone (including them) by surprise, they probably started development of a new chip architecture. We don't see anything because it takes years to come out with a complete redesign, but I'm sure they are hard at work to come back to the top. If they aren't doing this, the future battles are already lost, because Zen is a very modular, powerful and cool architecture. They need something completely new to stop AMD's growth.reminder, this refresh is a refresh of a refresh of a refresh.
the last substantive change to the intel chip design was when they went from broadwell to skylake (and that was mostly to the memory subsystems, the overall design was so close as to almost qualify as a refresh). Every update since has been a "refresh" or a "refresh with more cores". zero progress on node shrink, or design update in almost 4 whole years now, this is like the Pentium 4 days when intel would release revision after revision of the same chip with slightly higher clock speeds or more cores.
Unlike with the p4 I don't see a new chip design like the core design coming down the pike to break them out of this nonsense.
Core i5-9600K /KF have a TDP of 95W, not 65W.Intel finally unveils its full series of Coffee Lake Refresh processors for the desktop.
Intel Unveils Full Desktop Coffee Lake Refresh Lineup : Read more
Well, if it is a "65w" part like the 9900k is a "95w" part then the "beefy cooler and motherboard" comment is valid.Intel website shows the TDP of the Core i9-9900 as 65W. Your table currently shows 95W.
Edit: I see the table is fixed now, but I wondering if the comment that it will still need "a beefy cooler and motherboard" is valid given that it's locked and limited to 65W.
There has been no fundamental breakthroughs in CPU architecture in over 25 years, just go look at a the Alpha 21264's block diagram and compare it to modern CPUs, all fundamentally the same apart from ISA-specific overhead and back-end organization.I disagree on the conclusion. Intel is not dumb. As soon as the first Ryzen models came to market, and caught everyone (including them) by surprise, they probably started development of a new chip architecture.
Depends on whether you play games that scale beyond 4C8T and care about whatever extra performance this yields. I'm still fine with my i5-3470 in the few games I play, not in any specific hurry to upgrade but I may still get tempted by a Ryzen 3600 if it turns out as good as the more optimistic alleged leaks and rumors suggest.also do we gamers actually need to upgrade from 7th or even 4th gen i7?
I still read TH daily but a lot of news articles still don't appear to have a built-in comment section or link to comments (at least at the time I read them).Thanks for the heads up! Nice to see your comments back on the articles! about time.
By "predecessors" are you referring to the 8600/8500? Because both of those are available for retail purchase. Availability may be a bit spotty, but that could be due to the general Intel CPU shortage.Is it safe to assume the 9600/9500 will be OEM only like their predecessors?
Upon further inspection it looks like you're correct. I didn't remember seeing those available in anything but oem systems. Disregard my previous post. The 9600 could actually be interesting at that price.By "predecessors" are you referring to the 8600/8500? Because both of those are available for retail purchase. Availability may be a bit spotty, but that could be due to the general Intel CPU shortage.
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