Intel's 10nm Cannonlake Chips Won't Arrive Until Second Half Of 2017

[Justkeeplookin]

AMD makes minimal changes. The fact that they have few sockets is a good news to consumer who don't want to dish out extra $$$ for a new motherboard. But Intel will soon have few changes to make after limits are reached

 

[jimmysmitty]

AMD makes minimal changes. The fact that they have few sockets is a good news to consumer who don't want to dish out extra $$$ for a new motherboard. But Intel will soon have few changes to make after limits are reached

Sure it is nice not to have to buy a new motherboard but look at Intels CPUs 5 years ago compared to AMDs. Intels are still viable gaming and production CPUs, AMDs are not.

Yes you can use a older AMD chipset on a newer AMD CPU yet you lose features, performance and technology to do so. There is always a trade off that most people are too blind to see.

I do a new system completely. The only thing I ever upgrade is my GPU. Everything else gets sold or given to family and I do a new build. No reason to hold back any part just to cheap out.

 

[digitaldoc]

With not much competition, they are delaying the inevitable. Will there be anything smaller than 7 nm? At some point the die shrink will need to stop. This can get followed with additional cores, but then that will get maxed out at a certain point where more cores does not help as data is transferred around to get processed.

Well they could come across some miracle technology that could get them to Picometer size. I mean people probably though Nanometer was near impossible back in the old days.

That said, the best solution would probably be stacking but then there are the issues with heat dissipation.

Exactly how small they can go has always been open to debate. However, electrons are not getting any smaller, and sooner or later the shrinks will hit a physical limit that will be not be able to go beyond.

 

[Buwan]

The sockets have nothing to do with the node size.

I was not so much referring to the node size but the 6 month increase in cadence. If you are no longer following Tic Toc does that mean there will be an increase in life span for motherboard and CPU compatibility?

Is it really necessary to change the socket when all you are receiving is a 10% performance increase anyway and feature benefits are of even less value? I am interested in how Intel expect to value add with the difficulty and diminishing returns of node shrinks.

It is obvious that Intel are in urgent need of a new business plan. Maybe they will start concentrating more on integrated GPUs but this of course will be decided by the market and not Intel.

Look at it this way. AMD held onto the AM2/AM2+ socket for so long that their performance increases were very small. Also look at the fact that AMD has yet to even add PCIe 3.0.

Sure they seem trivial now but would you rather have a setup that can last 5 years or 2 years and you need a new CPU and probably board?

A i5 2500K is still a good CPU for a gaming system but a Phenom II is not. I would rather have a CPU that is almost 5 years old that is still valid than one that is almost 5 years old that is not.

And why does Intel need a new business plan? They are still making tons of money and outselling AMD in every market.

AMD makes minimal changes. The fact that they have few sockets is a good news to consumer who don't want to dish out extra $$$ for a new motherboard. But Intel will soon have few changes to make after limits are reached

Sure it is nice not to have to buy a new motherboard but look at Intels CPUs 5 years ago compared to AMDs. Intels are still viable gaming and production CPUs, AMDs are not.

Yes you can use a older AMD chipset on a newer AMD CPU yet you lose features, performance and technology to do so. There is always a trade off that most people are too blind to see.

I do a new system completely. The only thing I ever upgrade is my GPU. Everything else gets sold or given to family and I do a new build. No reason to hold back any part just to cheap out.

AMD CPU performance is not due to lack of motherboard updates.

All I am saying is that if there are relative small advances in CPU's why upgrade the socket (as per your AMD example and your i5 2500k is still a useful CPU point).

"I am interested in how Intel expect to value add with the difficulty and diminishing returns of node shrinks. "
This is why Intel need a new business plan. This is their whole consumer business.

 

[jimmysmitty]

The sockets have nothing to do with the node size.

I was not so much referring to the node size but the 6 month increase in cadence. If you are no longer following Tic Toc does that mean there will be an increase in life span for motherboard and CPU compatibility?

Is it really necessary to change the socket when all you are receiving is a 10% performance increase anyway and feature benefits are of even less value? I am interested in how Intel expect to value add with the difficulty and diminishing returns of node shrinks.

It is obvious that Intel are in urgent need of a new business plan. Maybe they will start concentrating more on integrated GPUs but this of course will be decided by the market and not Intel.

Look at it this way. AMD held onto the AM2/AM2+ socket for so long that their performance increases were very small. Also look at the fact that AMD has yet to even add PCIe 3.0.

Sure they seem trivial now but would you rather have a setup that can last 5 years or 2 years and you need a new CPU and probably board?

A i5 2500K is still a good CPU for a gaming system but a Phenom II is not. I would rather have a CPU that is almost 5 years old that is still valid than one that is almost 5 years old that is not.

And why does Intel need a new business plan? They are still making tons of money and outselling AMD in every market.

AMD makes minimal changes. The fact that they have few sockets is a good news to consumer who don't want to dish out extra $$$ for a new motherboard. But Intel will soon have few changes to make after limits are reached

Sure it is nice not to have to buy a new motherboard but look at Intels CPUs 5 years ago compared to AMDs. Intels are still viable gaming and production CPUs, AMDs are not.

Yes you can use a older AMD chipset on a newer AMD CPU yet you lose features, performance and technology to do so. There is always a trade off that most people are too blind to see.

I do a new system completely. The only thing I ever upgrade is my GPU. Everything else gets sold or given to family and I do a new build. No reason to hold back any part just to cheap out.

AMD CPU performance is not due to lack of motherboard updates.

All I am saying is that if there are relative small advances in CPU's why upgrade the socket (as per your AMD example and your i5 2500k is still a useful CPU point).

"I am interested in how Intel expect to value add with the difficulty and diminishing returns of node shrinks. "
This is why Intel need a new business plan. This is their whole consumer business.

Holding the same socket means you have to build the CPU around that socket instead of building the socket, and board, around the CPU. The CPU is the Central Processing Unit so I would assume it takes priority.

There are some 760G chipset boards that will support a BD AMD CPU but it does not support all of the Cool 'n' Quite features or other features of the CPU so it holds the CPU back from its full possible potential.

 

[Aspiring techie]

It looks like the era of process node shrinks is coming to an end. They can't go on forever. 1nm is the width of 10 graphene atoms, so the hard limit appears to be coming within the next decade or two. Still, we need to pursue the new technologies and enjoy the improvements while they still coming.

People talk about needing a technological breakthrough like quantum computing or utilizing carbon nanotubes as though it is inevitable.

There is a good possibility that we will be stuck right about where we are (and have been for the last 5 or so years) for quite sometime.

Check this out. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209794-new-2d-super-material-could-beat-graphene-to-becoming-the-new-silicon

If it's as good as the article makes it out to be, then we could have CPU's built around this stuff within a decade or two!