News Intel's Core 200 family poised to mix Arrow, Lunar, Meteor, Alder, and Raptor Lake parts — Arrow Lake-U CPUs rumored to offer Meteor Lake Refresh p...

[Admin]

Intel's Arrow Lake-U or Core Ultra 200U processors are rumored to be a Meteor Lake refresh with a process node jump to Intel 3.

Intel's Core 200 family poised to mix Arrow, Lunar, Meteor, Alder, and Raptor Lake parts — Arrow Lake-U CPUs rumored to offer Meteor Lake Refresh p... : Read more

 

[bit_user]

Such a change is potentially misleading, as customers might naturally assume that anything with the Core "Ultra" 200 tag slapped on it will be based on Arrow Lake but that's not the case here.

That's what product marketing gets paid to do. At the end of the day, all they care about is selling product and maximizing margins. In fact, these kinds of weird switcheroos are probably where they consider themselves to add the most value to the organization. It doesn't take a genius to slap an honest and transparent label on products, but to cleverly disguise old products as new ones and fit them into the product lineup takes a bit of guile.

Intel has been doing this for a long time (as has AMD, to be fair). Some products internally labelled as Raptor Lake and sold as Gen 13 or 14 are actually Alder Lake silicon. Going back even further, their laptop products would mix silicon in a single numeric generation, but I think the internal code names were distinct (e.g. Whiskey Lake were rebadged Kaby Lake dies, but at least they had a distinct code name).

 

[Notton]

IMO, this isn't as messy as what AMD does with their mobile lineup.
It's pretty simple to figure out, in fact.

Thin and light: 200V should be the only one you should consider.
Gaming/Workstation: 200HX Ryzen AI HX 300, ditto.
You are on a budget: 100 series, 11/12/13/14th gen

 

[usertests]

Arrow Lake-U is a tragedy, because Meteor Lake-U already cut back on the iGPU, with 4 Xe cores instead of 8. Alder/Raptor chips had up to 96 EUs in both the "H" and "U" variants.

Then on top of that you aren't getting Skymont, which is a massive uplift over Crestmont.

 

[bit_user]

Arrow Lake-U is a tragedy, because Meteor Lake-U already cut back on the iGPU, with 4 Xe cores instead of 8. Alder/Raptor chips had up to 96 EUs in both the "H" and "U" variants.

It's a real shame they didn't just swap out the GPU tile, at least. I thought that was the main point of putting it on its own tile!

Then on top of that you aren't getting Skymont, which is a massive uplift over Crestmont.

Yeah, the key aspect I leaped on was the fact of missing out on the goodness of Lion Cove and Skymont.

 

[DS426]

Enthusiasts would discern that difference but the typical buyer doesn't even know what those lakes are. Yes, generically, it's naturally for anyone to assume that the Ultra parts would have the very latest technology, but this isn't new and just isn't a safe assumption.

Intel just wants prospects and customers to know that the Ultra parts are higher-end whereas non-Ultras are lower- to mid-end. They aren't failing on that marketing segmentation, so no surprise here for me at all.

AMD was still putting in the older Vega iGPU's on newer APU's when RDNA1 and even RDNA2 was out. Interestingly, they jumped right from Vega to RDNA2 on all iGPU's of that time if I recall correctly. Moreover, we already know that AMD is going to continue putting RDNA2 into their APU's while also having RDNA3 and 3.5 ones all at the same time. Moreover, Zen 3, Zen 3+, 4, and 5 APU's are going to exist alongside each other. Not really a bad thing as anything Zen 3 and later are nothing short of incredible.

 

[User of Computers]

We knew this, but Jhaykin isn't really reliable

 

[User of Computers]

It's a real shame they didn't just swap out the GPU tile, at least. I thought that was the main point of putting it on its own tile!

64 XE-HPG VEs are faster than 96 Xe-LP VEs. Remember that the HPG VEs are clocked significantly faster than the LP VEs.

 

[User of Computers]

Arrow Lake-U is a tragedy, because Meteor Lake-U already cut back on the iGPU, with 4 Xe cores instead of 8. Alder/Raptor chips had up to 96 EUs in both the "H" and "U" variants.

Then on top of that you aren't getting Skymont, which is a massive uplift over Crestmont.

Honestly, it should be pretty darn good. Arrow Lake-U with the extra headroom afforded by Intel 3 should be a decent efficiency uplift over Meteor Lake-U.

 

[Mama Changa]

Well any one with half a brain that wants a U-class apu will get Lunar Lake full stop. Alas the unwashed masses will not know this and be pointed towards Meteor Lake Arrow Lake U rubbish.

I will wait for Panther Lake if I want Intel mobile although Lunar Lake is actually quite decent. Maybe though Arrow Lake H based on Lion and Skymont will be good, but it doesn't get Xe2 graphics, only Xe+ IIRC. But if they can use the rumoured 128EU still might do well against 890M.