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Amdlova said:
This is a good chip :) they never will give it for free... on ebay sell like hot cakes
got my 14600T 220us and z690 motherboard for 100 cheap than a ryzen cpu!
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You say good chip despite Intel saying it has been prone to crashing since it was released due to faulty microcode.
Frankly, unless it comes with the unused chip sealed in a box by Intel I'm not using it.
Especially not using it if it came from ebay where some guy could have had it running at 98°C for the last year and a half!
 
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derekullo said:
You say good chip despite Intel saying it has been prone to crashing since it was released due to faulty microcode.
Frankly, unless it comes with the unused chip sealed in a box by Intel I'm not using it.
Especially not using it if it came from ebay where some guy could have had it running at 98°C for the last year and a half!
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Get a locked one you can't do nothing on the chip.
Only this year I get from ebay Five intel CPU's none of them have some issue.
I like the T ones come from 1 liter machines with a 95w power adapter.
it's a little slower than the counterparts but increase the power and be happy.

14600T is a little slower than a 12700k stock or 7700x when you give it 93w of power... for 220us is very nice. 99% time seat on 1.55w of power
 
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derekullo said:
You say good chip despite Intel saying it has been prone to crashing since it was released due to faulty microcode.
Frankly, unless it comes with the unused chip sealed in a box by Intel I'm not using it.
Especially not using it if it came from ebay where some guy could have had it running at 98°C for the last year and a half!
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The crashing has been due to a combination of default motherboard settings and user settings with Intel not putting enough restraints on the both of them.
Ryzen chips can also be abused by the user, but after the X3D explosions AMD cracked down on motherboard vendor shenanigans. Intel is also locking down the mobo vendor default settings on the next gen.

As far as voltage induced degradation, both Intel and AMD CPUs behave the same. And yes, Ryzens can and do degrade, Zen 2 has a lot of posts about this. If you bought a used one and it doesn't work at stock settings then it is faulty and you have Ebay policy. If it does work, but is degraded to some unknown amount it doesn't degrade more unless you give it degrading levels of voltage.
 
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rluker5 said:
The crashing has been due to a combination of default motherboard settings and user settings with Intel not putting enough restraints on the both of them.
Ryzen chips can also be abused by the user, but after the X3D explosions AMD cracked down on motherboard vendor shenanigans. Intel is also locking down the mobo vendor default settings on the next gen.

As far as voltage induced degradation, both Intel and AMD CPUs behave the same. And yes, Ryzens can and do degrade, Zen 2 has a lot of posts about this. If you bought a used one and it doesn't work at stock settings then it is faulty and you have Ebay policy. If it does work, but is degraded to some unknown amount it doesn't degrade more unless you give it degrading levels of voltage.
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All chips degrade. I would not buy a used one, hell not even a new one. Stay far away from 13th and 14th gen.
 
zoneman30 said:
All chips degrade. I would not buy a used one, hell not even a new one. Stay far away from 13th and 14th gen.
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You are too late!
I've had a 13900kf since release (is one of those oxidized boogeyman candidates) and a 13600k since a few months after and they run great and stable, are cool and quiet the vast majority of the time, and have no measurable degradation since I didn't let the mobos pump over 1.5v into them. I avoid anything over 1.4v tbh. Can't cool it so why do it?

They seem like they will last as long as my old 4770k is that my daughter is still using and leaving her pc on with sleep turned off whenever I check 🙁 It was on right now! Just wasting power and wearing out all of her RGB peripherals.
 
I was saying the same, mine showed no signs, but I guess I should have knocked on wood. Temps started climbing and even after the patch still climbed, waiting on a RMA or an email if they decide to refund. If they do I am going to get a 12700K and call it a day!
 
Loadedaxe said:
I was saying the same, mine showed no signs, but I guess I should have knocked on wood. Temps started climbing and even after the patch still climbed, waiting on a RMA or an email if they decide to refund. If they do I am going to get a 12700K and call it a day!
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Your CPU doesn't change the amount of voltage/wattage it requests and the motherboard doesn't change the amount of voltage/wattage it delivers when your CPU degrades. If it degrades it will become unstable at the same level of voltage/wattage and will need more for stability. If it degrades badly in an unfortunate way it will just stop working. There isn't an auto adjustment mechanism that reacts to silicon degradation so there should be no additional heat produced and temps should be the same so long as your cooling is the same.

Temperatures climbing is a symptom of some combination of more heat being generated by the CPU and worse transfer of that heat from the CPU. I would look at the two of those.

If your CPU is busy all of the time that would be an indication that your CPU is generating more heat. If you are using a ton of volts due to some change your vendor made in the bios that would also raise temps.

Maybe you haven't paid attention to the volts your CPU is getting because it is low on your priority list, which is normal. I have been paying attention because it is a hobby and my tuned 13600k uses less than 1.2v under load and less than 1.25v peak idle at stock clocks and it needs significantly more than my 13900kf at the same clocks so I don't think it is awesome or anything. The main things I do for tuning are: 1. change my LLC setting so the vcore (per hwinfo) only drops a little under load (with Asus boards you may have to "sync ACDC loadline to VRM loadline") and 2. undervolt the core and cache equally until they are 15mv or so above the lower stability limit. Cinebench 24 is a decent fast and easy option for a stress test. If you need 1.4v for this that is really bad and your CPU will be hot, but I'm guessing your chip is about as good as mine.

Motherboard temps on HWinfo over 45c would be an indication of poor case airflow. If all of your fans are spinning fast, the CPU temps are high and the air coming out of the PC is cool that would be an indication that you need to repaste/remount your CPU cooler.

It may be too late in your case but maybe this explanation will help somebody with temp problems.
 
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Amdlova said:
Get a locked one you can't do nothing on the chip.
Only this year I get from ebay Five intel CPU's none of them have some issue.
I like the T ones come from 1 liter machines with a 95w power adapter.
it's a little slower than the counterparts but increase the power and be happy.

14600T is a little slower than a 12700k stock or 7700x when you give it 93w of power... for 220us is very nice. 99% time seat on 1.55w of power
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From what I've heard even the highest power i9-14900k are stable after the bios update ... assuming they weren't irreversibly damaged during operation.
Limiting yourself to i5s might not go over well for some people lol.
 
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