News Intel's Core i9-12900K Just Hit 8 GHz Along With DDR5-8300

[Admin]

Famous extreme overclocker HiCookie overclocks the Core i9-12900K and DDR5 to over 8 GHz.

Intel's Core i9-12900K Just Hit 8 GHz Along With DDR5-8300 : Read more

 

[waltc3]

These LN articles are highly amusing...😉 Keep it up...😉

 

[Dantte]

Awesome!

Curious, I follow these overclocking events close enough to be dangerous, but I've always had a (maybe dumb) question?
These boards/processors are overclocked in open air, you always see paper towels and stuff covering the board to prevent moisture from condensation. So instead of open air overclocking, why not submerge the board in a fluid, such as ULT-170, but leave the top of the LN tower exposed for filling. ULT-170 can remain pumpable down to -112C, has a dielectric constant of 2.3 (rubber) and you'd gain the advantage of cooling all electronics on the board while protecting the entire system from condensation? Also, it would also stabilize the board temperatures across the entire platform so you dont have a massive difference between the processor temp and rest of the board which creates a lot of physical stress between components; ie. if the CPU half of the board is -196C and the other half is air temperature, this would cause a ton of compression and expansion between connected components (stress). Yeah, yeah, I know the cost of a fluid such as ULT-170 is stupid level expensive, but given what they are doing, that would be a drop in the bucket.

 

[TerryLaze]

Awesome!

Curious, I follow these overclocking events close enough to be dangerous, but I've always had a (maybe dumb) question?
These boards/processors are overclocked in open air, you always see paper towels and stuff covering the board to prevent moisture from condensation. So instead of open air overclocking, why not submerge the board in a fluid, such as ULT-170, but leave the top of the LN tower exposed for filling. ULT-170 can remain pumpable down to -112C, has a dielectric constant of 2.3 (rubber) and you'd gain the advantage of cooling all electronics on the board while protecting the entire system from condensation? Also, it would also stabilize the board temperatures across the entire platform so you dont have a massive difference between the processor temp and rest of the board which creates a lot of physical stress between components; ie. if the CPU half of the board is -196C and the other half is air temperature, this would cause a ton of compression and expansion between connected components (stress). Yeah, yeah, I know the cost of a fluid such as ULT-170 is stupid level expensive, but given what they are doing, that would be a drop in the bucket.

So they would need to have a big tank that can take the mobo? What would they have to do every time they forgot to plug something in or anything unexpected happens that needs fondling the mobo?
What if that tank ruptures because of the pressure of the fluid plus the extreme temp fluctuations?

Also if it would equalize the temps between cpu part and rest of the board, wouldn't that mean that the CPU part would lose the low temps much faster? Would it even still be able to hit the same low temps?

 

[craigss]

meanwhile nobody has gotten near the 8.7 ghz of the FX series AMD of many years ago with a modern CPU

 

[Geef]

Awesome!

So instead of open air overclocking, why not submerge the board in a fluid, such as ULT-170, but leave the top of the LN tower exposed for filling.

Part of that besides the costs might be that certain pieces of electronics don't like it being TOO cold. If you ever watch Gamers Nexus when they liquid cool to overclock they don't do it constantly to the memory chips because if they get too cold they error out and the system crashes.

I have a feeling the same thing might happen to other chips on the motherboard so things might not go well with a full immersion. (Just a guess there)

 

[hotaru251]

considering its predecessors, such as the Core i9-11900K (7.3 GHz) and Core i9-10900K (7.7 GHz), were nowhere near the 8 GHz barrier.

not to be mean but.....it was a ++++++ architech and had no more room to go <_<....props to them for actually improving it liek they did for as many yrs as they did.

 

[SkyBill40]

I'm going to take, "Things that don't really matter much in the world outside of a few people and even then that's saying more than is really necessary" for $500, Alex.

 

[10tacle]

meanwhile nobody has gotten near the 8.7 ghz of the FX series AMD of many years ago with a modern CPU

I take it that you do not understand that the GHz speeds of AMD and Intel CPUs are not comparable directly as both processor manufacturers have different architecture designs. I hit 5.2GHz on an Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k back in 2011 where the current AMD 5 5600X overclocks on similar high end air (Noctua NH-D15) at a "slower" 4.7GHz. Guess which chip smokes the other in the real world? Now let's do the same and put that ancient AMD FX chip at 8.7GHz against this i9 at 8GHz and see what happens in the real world benchmarks. That's just one example of countless on your straw man point.

 

[SkyBill40]

I take it that you do not understand that the GHz speeds of AMD and Intel CPUs are not comparable directly as both processor manufacturers have different architecture designs. I hit 5.2GHz on an Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k back in 2011 just as one example.

Doesn't really matter. The AMD chip is the record holder. Don't try to move the goalposts to fit your narrative. Just accept it as what it is and until another chip beats it, well, it's on top. 🤷‍♂️

 

[10tacle]

Doesn't really matter. The AMD chip is the record holder. Don't try to move the goalposts to fit your narrative. Just accept it as what it is and until another chip beats it, well, it's on top. 🤷‍♂️

It's the record holder for AMD. Nothing more, and nothing less in the real world as you yourself stated above being useless. If there were real goal posts to even move, there would be world records for CPUs broken down by manufacturers just like we have in different types of Olympic sports games. Breaking a world record in swimming is a little different than doing so in running.

 

[JeffreyP55]

Famous extreme overclocker HiCookie overclocks the Core i9-12900K and DDR5 to over 8 GHz.

Intel's Core i9-12900K Just Hit 8 GHz Along With DDR5-8300 : Read more

What, for a whole 5 seconds? Haven't done crazy OC since the early 2000's. Reservoir, fish tank water pump and acrylic CPU & GPU hardware. I could run the thing at max all day. It was past the magic 1Ghz which according to "experts" at the time could not be achieved because of Cross-talk on the buss was their theory.. LoL

 

[mamasan2000]

Awesome!

Curious, I follow these overclocking events close enough to be dangerous, but I've always had a (maybe dumb) question?
These boards/processors are overclocked in open air, you always see paper towels and stuff covering the board to prevent moisture from condensation. So instead of open air overclocking, why not submerge the board in a fluid, such as ULT-170, but leave the top of the LN tower exposed for filling. ULT-170 can remain pumpable down to -112C, has a dielectric constant of 2.3 (rubber) and you'd gain the advantage of cooling all electronics on the board while protecting the entire system from condensation? Also, it would also stabilize the board temperatures across the entire platform so you dont have a massive difference between the processor temp and rest of the board which creates a lot of physical stress between components; ie. if the CPU half of the board is -196C and the other half is air temperature, this would cause a ton of compression and expansion between connected components (stress). Yeah, yeah, I know the cost of a fluid such as ULT-170 is stupid level expensive, but given what they are doing, that would be a drop in the bucket.

LN2 is -196 C. So I guess your ULT would freeze too. That would seem you just added another complication to the situation.
I find subzero cooling stories very interesting because the hardware acts very differently compared to air- or watercooling. Like IMC might not like the cold and hence you have to run it at slower speeds. Cold boot bugs. GPUs with a heater on the backside of the Core etc.

 

[hasten]

What, for a whole 5 seconds? Haven't done crazy OC since the early 2000's. Reservoir, fish tank water pump and acrylic CPU & GPU hardware. I could run the thing at max all day. It was past the magic 1Ghz which according to "experts" at the time could not be achieved because of Cross-talk on the buss was their theory.. LoL

How early 2000s we talking here? Cause in the very very early 2000s I was buying 1ghz+ cpus "off the shelf..."

 

[craigss]

I take it that you do not understand that the GHz speeds of AMD and Intel CPUs are not comparable directly as both processor manufacturers have different architecture designs. I hit 5.2GHz on an Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k back in 2011 where the current AMD 5 5600X overclocks on similar high end air (Noctua NH-D15) at a "slower" 4.7GHz. Guess which chip smokes the other in the real world? Now let's do the same and put that ancient AMD FX chip at 8.7GHz against this i9 at 8GHz and see what happens in the real world benchmarks. That's just one example of countless on your straw man point.

So can we also assume you are managing to conveniently forget the fact the 2500k was a 4 core 4 thread only? the others are 8/16 and 6/12 and lets reverse those fanboi responses and see how the 2500k fares against the 5600x in a similar test, these tests are nothing to do with Day to Day use nor are they a testament to the ability of the chip to perform in games etc, much like Intels famous charge cooled bragging a few years ago its all about the headlines and that magic figure, so on that basis an old AMD design is still as I pointed out on top of all the other modern CPU designs. FWIW I hope Intel has nailed it this time and is competitive again, hopefully (despite Intels long history of doing so) we can then have a fair fight that will benefit us the consumer with better products and prices, however looking at the recent Win 11 fracas and the way Intel managed to get MS to code the OS to favour its particular Chip just before its release (just so it could have some massive figures on charts which are actual historical fact) before correction by coding was applied I would say the new CEO has also brought back his full bag of dirty tricks, but the knives are now drawn on both sides, expect a strong response from AMD is what I believe.

 

[RodroX]

Finally!, it was about time Intel you hit the 8GHz mark. I swear I could not sleep with only 7.7GHz as the previous record for the 10th gen.

 

[Jim90]

meanwhile nobody has gotten near the 8.7 ghz of the FX series AMD of many years ago with a modern CPU

--> Correct...!!!

I take it that you do not understand that the GHz speeds of AMD and Intel CPUs are not comparable directly as both processor manufacturers have different architecture designs. I hit 5.2GHz on an Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k back in 2011 where the current AMD 5 5600X overclocks on similar high end air (Noctua NH-D15) at a "slower" 4.7GHz. Guess which chip smokes the other in the real world? Now let's do the same and put that ancient AMD FX chip at 8.7GHz against this i9 at 8GHz and see what happens in the real world benchmarks. That's just one example of countless on your straw man point.

--> Oh dear, more Intel-paid-for-bullcrap!

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.co...ock-frequency-achieved-by-a-silicon-processor

--> Let's decode this for all those brain-challenged, Intel shills --> AMD still holds the official world record record for the CPU highest frequency...!!!
Clearly, Intel are not paying you enough to do a good job 😉

I continue to wish every company involved in the PC business all the best in their ability to maintain an effective competitive capacity, for very many obvious reasons!
What I do find utterly disgusting is the rapidly increasing army of paid-for p#$%ks polluting all these forums, youtube tech channels etc. Something tells me I'm not alone.

 

[Bulldog1963]

meanwhile nobody has gotten near the 8.7 ghz of the FX series AMD of many years ago with a modern CPU

Yes. Over a decade. They still hold the record. IBM 10 years behind declaring they STILL aren't as fast or durable as AMD. But the heat...

 

[hotaru251]

According to a Der8aur video today this 8ghz is fake. (as no 8ghz is possible to validate)

its due to (iirc) a bug in the cpu-z (which happened yrs ago too) and cpu-z knows its a bug as well as Gigabyte.
around 13:13 for the explanation of the issue

7.5 on liquid helium is around what ppl are capping at.

 

[SkyBill40]

It's the record holder for AMD. Nothing more, and nothing less in the real world as you yourself stated above being useless. If there were real goal posts to even move, there would be world records for CPUs broken down by manufacturers just like we have in different types of Olympic sports games. Breaking a world record in swimming is a little different than doing so in running.

Uh, no. It's the RECORD HOLDER for overclocking. Period, end of discussion, full stop. Manufacturer is irrelevant here as it was tested against both Intel and AMD chips and happened to climb to the top of the heap. Still there after all those years, too. Funny that.

Just admit that you're mad and let's move on. You'd be doing us all the favor of acknowledging what we already know. No shame in that.

Any other fallacies you'd like to commit and have recognized?

 

[lilith.insul]

According to a Der8aur video today this 8ghz is fake. (as no 8ghz is possible to validate)

its due to (iirc) a bug in the cpu-z (which happened yrs ago too) and cpu-z knows its a bug as well as Gigabyte.
around 13:13 for the explanation of the issue

7.5 on liquid helium is around what ppl are capping at.

Actually Passed Validation as the run was done after the CPU-Z patch fix.

http://valid.x86.fr/d67bbh

But as said by the CPU-Z developers, we do not know if they bypassed the validation through the bios.

 

[bobdvb]

Awesome!

Curious, I follow these overclocking events close enough to be dangerous, but I've always had a (maybe dumb) question?
These boards/processors are overclocked in open air, you always see paper towels and stuff covering the board to prevent moisture from condensation. So instead of open air overclocking, why not submerge the board in a fluid, such as ULT-170, but leave the top of the LN tower exposed for filling. ULT-170 can remain pumpable down to -112C, has a dielectric constant of 2.3 (rubber) and you'd gain the advantage of cooling all electronics on the board while protecting the entire system from condensation? Also, it would also stabilize the board temperatures across the entire platform so you dont have a massive difference between the processor temp and rest of the board which creates a lot of physical stress between components; ie. if the CPU half of the board is -196C and the other half is air temperature, this would cause a ton of compression and expansion between connected components (stress). Yeah, yeah, I know the cost of a fluid such as ULT-170 is stupid level expensive, but given what they are doing, that would be a drop in the bucket.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but...

One problem here might be that you would end up conducting too much of the heat from the external cooling fluid and requiring significantly more LN2. You would probably have to find a way to insulate the LN2 block from the liquid.

Air itself isn't going to freeze, just the liquid within it condensate, but with a fluid submerged touching the socket and block it's going to get messy. Effectively the external fluid will cause the average temperature to rise.

Perhaps the real answer is to dehydrate the space where the motherboard is to uncomfortably low levels to remove condensate in the first place.