Intel's EU Troubles Could Lead to U.S. Attention

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Thank god. Intel needs a little reminder that they can't be the allmighty chipmaker that controls the market at their will 😉
 
Dang, intel's been digging that hole deeper for itself in the last few months losing millions of dollars in demands and gigantic problems such as these. As a result people have slowly moved away from intel and have gone to AMD's caring hands. They better take care of this before things get worse, like stopping six-core developement.
 
The problem with anti-trust laws is they are unevenly enforced and therefore some companies are in a never ending grey zone. Not to mention that an adminstration can be lax while the next one will retroactively try to punish those actions that happened prior to their adminsistration.

No sympathy for Intels actions here, just stating that they allowed this practice and they either need to hold universal standards *cough*Apple*cough* or just go completely free market and let them go at it.
 
There are two sides here, it's not just intel. How about the manufacturers? They should have been fined also, for playing intel's game.
Perhaps intel will go on just "fine", refining their monopolist tactics, and nothing will ever change.
 
I buy Intel because their chips/products are usually top notch. Same reason why I didn't buy a Hyundai when opposed to a Mazda RX8 someone was selling for the same price due to losing their job. Even if the Mazda was more expensive, still would have bought it.
 
[citation][nom]tenor77[/nom]No sympathy for Intels actions here, just stating that they allowed this practice and they either need to hold universal standards *cough*Apple*cough* or just go completely free market and let them go at it.[/citation]
Ok ok... it's not news that Apple is pure evil...
 
[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom]Ok ok... it's not news that Apple is pure evil...[/citation]

If you're under 18 (percent market share) you won't be doing any time.

Hey come on out and play!
 
I'm much less inclined than the rest of the people posting to be happy about this.

If Intel has so much control over the market, why did they lose market share when they had inferior processors? Why did they make so much money, and allow AMD to make so much money? If they were trying to put AMD out of business, they could have priced things very low and accepted much lower profits, but they never did. In fact, AMD is still around, and outside of ATI, has no reason to even exist with the poor processors they create. Yet, Intel lets them exist by pricing their own processors in a way that allows AMD to still exist, despite selling processors that are significantly slower than Intel's previous generation, and a lot larger as well.

Intel knows they will never be the only processor maker in the world, and it is far better for them to have AMD around, then other possible scenarios. The most obvious one would be IBM buying AMD, and this would create HUGE issues for Intel, since IBM has excellent design resources, and excellent manufacturing technology.

The reality is, when Intel made a bad processor (Prescott), they lost market share. When they made a good one (Conroe), they gained it back. Considering the other advantages Intel has, including software, and much better supporting products and manufacturing technology, I would say the market reacted pretty normally.

If you wanted an AMD based computer, you could get it, and it was functionally identical to an Intel based one, except for trivialities like performance, power use, etc..., that really are not very important to the average consumer. This as opposed to Microsoft and Windows, which if you were to get a competing product, would get very different functionality and a very different user experience. The difference in productivity could be remarkably greater than the difference between processors, in most cases.

AMD is not going anywhere. They might get bought, but they will not disappear. Intel is not stupid, they'd rather compete with AMD than IBM after they bought AMD. Heck, IBM was going to buy Sun. You think they wouldn't buy AMD if the price were right? Getting out of the PC business made it even more natural. You don't think Intel fears this?
 
Lol what harm to the consumer! lol super unlikly it will have any problem in the US. US only goes after monopolist that sell crappy products or over priced products, but when comparied to amd the closest competition they are doing neither.
 
[citation][nom]bourgeoisdude[/nom]Now more than ever, America needs to lead and not follow. "Following" the EU's example would be a bad move.[/citation]

You think it's okay for Intel to offer rebates to manufacturers who agreed to obtain the majority of their processors from Intel/pay them to either to delay or cancel the launch of AMD based products?
 
AMD is having a hard time making processors now because of lost profits from Intel's actions in the past- CPUs and fabs are expensive to develop. Intel didnt price there chips better than AMD, they paid (and still do pay) OEM's to keep AMD out of the market. It used to be more direct payments to hurt AMD but now they just do marketing and development funding tied to total units sold and other seemingly fair metrics which in the end still keep the OEM's from using AMD.
 
Come on, people. A completely free market is unreal.
Don't you see what happened when they let the rating agencies, investment banks, mortgages, hedge funds and whatnot loose?
This counter-measure was set to protect you, the customer, and deter the company from unfair practices.
$ billion means next to nothing to the EU budget (for those "OMG thieves!" folks).
 
[citation][nom]martel80[/nom]Don't you see what happened when they let the rating agencies, investment banks, mortgages, hedge funds and whatnot loose?[/citation]
Thought that was what happens when Congress tells lending firms to give loans to poor people. Then pulls a 180 and says that it was lack of oversight.
 
These fines actually harm consumers, where is intel going to make up its lost money? With higher prices. It's not like the EU or the US is gonna hand those fines over to AMD to make things right.
 
[citation][nom]JMcEntegart[/nom]You think it's okay for Intel to offer rebates to manufacturers who agreed to obtain the majority of their processors from Intel/pay them to either to delay or cancel the launch of AMD based products?[/citation]

Did you think about this before you posted it?

What company didn't sell a majority of Intel based computers???? Intel had to incent companies to do this? No way, they all did.

Did you have a hard time finding AMD based machines? I surely did not. They were all over the place, and more and more were coming out.

Intel would help pay for advertising, and that was tiered on how many machines the company sold. They don't have a right to do that? They can't base the amount of monetary assistance they give to other companies based on the number of processors they sell?

I do not understand any of this nonsense. They have a right to make money, and do not have to play stupid and give things away. They never priced their products in a manner that would drive AMD out of business, and even gave them a license to make the processors instead of litigating them to death. Intel could EASILY put AMD under right now, if they priced their processors in a manner that would still make a profit, but much less of one. Penryns are much better than the junk AMD puts out, and they are much smaller as well. But, Intel just tries to make a good profit instead of pricing very aggressively.

There are so many things that make no sense within the context of Intel trying to eliminated AMD. When things make no sense, normally the reason is they are not true.

AMD gained market share when they had the better product. That's capitalism at its best. AMD made money when they had the better product. Also, the way its supposed to work. They do not make money now, because their current product is worse, by a good margin, than Intel's PREVIOUS generation, and a lot larger. Compared to the Nehalem, well, you can't compare it to the Nehalem, despite being the same size.

AMD's problems are their products. The market has been working the way it should. Europe just needs more American cash. We didn't give enough after WW II with the Marshall Plan, I guess. It's disgusting.
 
Intel will be in red for the next few quarters, once their stock takes a nose dive after the fine. My guess is it will exceed $3 bn. And probably some more, when they try to buy some time through procedures.
I've been waiting for this fine for over 10 years- yeah, it's been that long. Back when, among other abuses, Intel threatened ASUS into not making AMD motherboards, and I had a hell of a time finding one for k7-850MHz. This fine has been long in the making and it's not about who has or had superior product. It's about using unlawful methods to achieve market dominance.
There is one thing that makes me more happy than Intel getting the fine- it's the fanbois who will in effect pay the fine :))))))
 
AMD currently has the Phenom II 955, witch can compete with intel's i7 920. i know, because i own these 2 processors. Altought the i7 is ~ 10-15% faster in desktop apps and benchmarks, (mostly due to hyper-threading), the PII 955 is faster in games like Crysis (look up benchmarks - google is ure friend!).

Now i don't have a i965 to compare it to AMD's top end offering, but i imagine it can't perform much better than my 920@3333mhz, or @4000mhz (20x200@1,32v).

For extreme overclocking, the i7 is a BAD CHOICE. most top out at ~ 4300mhz, including the allmighty i965. On the other hand, the PII 955 runs at ~4,8ghz on air or peltier coolers, IF you have a good motherboard for OC.

On N2O, the i7 tops out at ~ 5200MHz if i can remember correctly. The PII 955 topped out @ 7.2GHz!!! of course, this is by far impractical, but speed of up to 5GHz have beem acheved with water cooling solutions using the PII 955. Also, did i mention that the 955 is a lot cheaper?

Now, i'm not a AMD fanboy (I own a i7 based sistem, one Q9550 a E8200, and one PII 955 based sistem), altought i tend to cheer for the underdog.

in my opinion, the only practical advandage Intel has over AMD is MARKETING and MARKET DOMINATION.
 
p.s. - ta152h - you are CLEARLY not up to date with AMD's latest products. Pull your head out of ure butt and start reading up on the Phenom II 955 (witch beats the crap out of a Intel Q9550) both at performance straight up, and aspecially overclocking.

Remember, i own both a PII 955 and a Q9550. If you start flaming, i'll post screenshots! (Everest, Sandra, 3Dmark06 and Crysis Benchmark).
 
[citation][nom]razzb3d[/nom]For extreme overclocking, the i7 is a BAD CHOICE. most top out at ~ 4300mhz, including the allmighty i965. On the other hand, the PII 955 runs at ~4,8ghz on air or peltier coolers, IF you have a good motherboard for OC.[/citation]

Interesting you point that out. Yes the Phenom II 955 will catch up with the 920; it is a huge leap in taking Intel out of the #1 spot. However I do disagree with you on i7 overclocking. You have to OC an i7 a little differently but it doesn't take much. I was able to push my friends i7 965 to 5.02GHz (7 hours stable on Prime65) on a liquid cooling setup. I have thought of buying an i7 but I keep waiting for AMDs next move. Yes you can OC the PII 955 to 7.2 on LN2 (Liquid Nitrogen) [where do you get nitrous oxide?] however the average consumer won't use LN2. I applaud AMD in such an extreme OC; however I want something that will last more than a few hours. Yes AMD is cheaper and if you do look at performance/dollar the PII does come out on top. But current performance bases put Intel in the top spot. I'm not an Intel fanboi; but you have to go where the power takes you. I give AMD 3 years (if not sooner) to be in Intel's spot.
 
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