News Intel's Flagship Core i9-12900K 'Alder Lake' Smashes Ryzen 9 5950X in Geekbench

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16 cores, but 24 threads. This should be an interesting variable in many benchmarks.
considering avx-512 optimized programs compared to avx2 on Ryzen with it's 16 core 32 threads.
 

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Core i9-12900K vs Ryzen 5950X
+ Single-Core:
-> Integer = +12.4%
-> Float…… = + 5.3%
-> Crypto… = +22.0%
-> Score…… = +11.2%

+ Multi-Core:
-> Integer = + 2.6%
-> Float…… = - 0.5%
-> Crypto… = +43.9%
-> Score…… = + 2.6%


16 cores, but 24 threads. This should be an interesting variable in many benchmarks.
considering avx-512 optimized programs compared to avx2 on Ryzen with it's 16 core 32 threads.
AVX-512 has been removed from AlderLake for consumer chips, literally fused off.

Instruction Sets: Alder Lake Dumps AVX-512 in a BIG Way

So Consumer AlderLake Cores can't do AVX-512 while XEON based Sapphire Rapids with the Golden Cove cores will have access to AVX-512 circuit path.
 
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Core i9-12900K vs Ryzen 5950X
+ Single-Core:
-> Integer = +12.4%
-> Float…… = + 5.3%
-> Crypto… = +22.0%
-> Score…… = +11.2%

+ Multi-Core:
-> Integer = + 2.6%
-> Float…… = - 0.5%
-> Crypto… = +43.9%
-> Score…… = + 2.6%



AVX-512 has been removed from AlderLake for consumer chips, literally fused off.

Instruction Sets: Alder Lake Dumps AVX-512 in a BIG Way

So Consumer AlderLake Cores can't do AVX-512 while XEON based Sapphire Rapids with the Golden Cove cores will have access to AVX-512 circuit path.
Why did they cut it out? What impact will this have on consumers? My guesses are heat and no impact.
 

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Price and power will determine which chip is ultimately the best value. Knowing Intel's advertised TDP, being at base clock, and true TDP when running at full steam, they may not have truly outgunned AMD, just did more of their smoke and mirrors to try and compare apples to oranges.
 
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lol and I love the title there is no smashing here, that kinda wording is inflamatory just to get the fans boys fighting.

Intel's Flagship Core i9-12900K 'Alder Lake' Smashes Ryzen 9 5950X in Geekbench

Core i9-12900K vs Ryzen 5950X
+ Single-Core:
-> Integer = +12.4%
-> Float…… = + 5.3%
-> Crypto… = +22.0%
-> Score…… = +11.2%

+ Multi-Core:
-> Integer = + 2.6%
-> Float…… = - 0.5%
-> Crypto… = +43.9%
-> Score…… = + 2.6%



AVX-512 has been removed from AlderLake for consumer chips, literally fused off.

Instruction Sets: Alder Lake Dumps AVX-512 in a BIG Way

So Consumer AlderLake Cores can't do AVX-512 while XEON based Sapphire Rapids with the Golden Cove cores will have access to AVX-512 circuit path.


do me a favor can you redo the numbers. The Scores for their 5950X are low.

 

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It would be better if you had put the Core i9-12900K 'Alder Lake' and the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X next to each other in the chart so they could be compared rather more easily.

It is hardly a surprise that the next generation intel processor can beat AMD current generation one. If you add 15% (not an uncommon improvement between generations) to the AMD processors score AMD wins in all but the Crypto score.
 

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I think it is safe to say that the 12900K will be beating the 5950X in single and light threaded workloads and also beating it (or at the very least matching it) in heavily multithreaded workloads. Don’t forget there is also plenty of room for these scores to improve with final silicon, final microcode, final clock speeds and Windows 11 scheduler. And you also get PCIe5, DDR5, iGPU/Quicksync, etc. As for pricing I think they will opt to go for a $50 price hike over the price of their current mainstream flagship (11900K, $539-$549) so I expect it to be priced $589-$599. Of course, it is entirely possible to price it $799 (if they compare it versus the 5950X and show that the 12900K beats it) or even $979 (if they compare it against the 10980XE and show that the 12900K beats it), but I don’t think they will go that route. They want positive coverage and there is no better coverage from the media than when you beat your competition in every metric while also massively undercutting them in price.

The Scores for their 5950X are low.
No. First of all, you say the scores are low yet the screenshot you give is comparing apples to oranges. The scores you show in the screenshot are not the scores the article is using (which are the individual sub-scores). Second, your example benchmark (which is this one) is a 5950X that uses PBO (or is overclocked) and is also heavily tuned in terms of RAM/IF frequency and timings . What Tom’s hardware used (which is this one) is kind of a median example for 5950X performance. It still uses overclocked RAM/XMP, good cooling but no PBO/overclocking.
 

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So Consumer AlderLake Cores can't do AVX-512 while XEON based Sapphire Rapids with the Golden Cove cores will have access to AVX-512 circuit path.
The Golden Cove cores used in Sapphire Rapids have dual avx512 capable units per core.

I believe Rocket Lake only has a single avx512 unit per core.

I wonder if there will be an SPR-X HEDT with dual avx512...
 

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geekbench is a horrible benchmarking tool which tries to do the impossible and show cross platform results, which it does poorly. furthermore it's numbers are pure FUD even inside similar platforms (x86x64) with the 11gen intel chips soundly beating ryzen 3 in their scores where as pretty much all real world testing proves the 11th gen inferior or on par at best.
 

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A couple of years ago Intel "announced" a new CPU presenting benchmark results that crushed the competition.
However, it turned out they used some monstrous and custom cooling, thus creating the impression that they were sort of cheating.
Since then, I have an extremely hard time believing anything that comes from Intel's marketing Dept.

So let's first get the independent and reputable review sites their hands on this CPU and test it. Then we will see if it's the best silicon ever or if it's gonna beat the competition only when attached to a 1000W TDP Peltier cooler.
 
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lol and I love the title there is no smashing here, that kinda wording is inflamatory just to get the fans boys fighting.

Intel's Flagship Core i9-12900K 'Alder Lake' Smashes Ryzen 9 5950X in Geekbench


Given the "title" from the author of this article, he seems to have a "Intel Bias".



do me a favor can you redo the numbers. The Scores for their 5950X are low.

Here you go, new updated percentages.

Core i9-12900K vs Ryzen 5950X

Original Articles Ryzen 5950X Score
+ Single-Core: 1893 vs 1702
-> Score…… = +11.2%

+ Multi-Core: 17299 vs 16868
-> Score…… = + 2.6%


Updated Ryzen 5950X Score
+ Single-Core: 1893 vs 1781
-> Score…… = +06.3%

+ Multi-Core: 17299 vs 18601
-> Score…… = -07.5%
 

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Why did they cut it out? What impact will this have on consumers? My guesses are heat and no impact.
I think the AnandTech article has stated that it's fused off so that the Thread Director will have a easier time managing threads around without having to worry about the BIG Core having a feature the little Core doesn't and moving Threads that are partially processed and realizing that this thread has AVX-512 and needs to go onto the BIG core.

Also, that's less Heat to deal with and more thermal mass to absorb nearby heat.

I think it's a good decision over-all, the average user would never use AVX-512, so no real loss IMO.

It's been a dumb talking point that Intel has been using to try to get AVX-512 over with average nomie consumers, when it's clearly a HPC / AI specific instruction set that very few average folks would use.
 

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I think it is safe to say that the 12900K will be beating the 5950X in single and light threaded workloads and also beating it (or at the very least matching it) in heavily multithreaded workloads. Don’t forget there is also plenty of room for these scores to improve with final silicon, final microcode, final clock speeds and Windows 11 scheduler. And you also get PCIe5, DDR5, iGPU/Quicksync, etc.
"But don't wait to act! Order now and I'll throw in not 1 but >>>2<<< extra paring knives, a bonus kitchen apron and your very own monogramed cutting block."

Seriously, yo. Dial down the schlock salesman.
 
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lol and I love the title there is no smashing here, that kinda wording is inflamatory just to get the fans boys fighting.

Intel's Flagship Core i9-12900K 'Alder Lake' Smashes Ryzen 9 5950X in Geekbench





do me a favor can you redo the numbers. The Scores for their 5950X are low.

And while your at it redo the numbers for the 5900X as well:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9524098
 

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