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flamethrower205

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Ok, I did some things for my dad, and as payment, he walked into my room yesterday and said how many 18" LCD's I want. I said 2-3, and today will finalize whether it's 2 or 3. In either case, I'm prolly gonna have to get a new video card. Now if 2, am I right in assuming a R9600 (maybe pro) would serve my purposes well? This would need to be dual DVI btw....
As for 3, I <i>could</i> get a Matrox Parhelia, but that's a tad sh!tty on the games, so nah. Anyway get the R9600, hook it up to 2, and then get a PCI card that works in conjunction with the AGP vid card to bring it onto 3 displays?

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Get R9600 Pro.

Are you still using 1.2 GHz T-bird and AMD 760?

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What are you going to do with 3 monitors? Two I've done and it's pretty cool, but three?

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3 for crazy flight sims:) I figure they'll be useful in programming, could have like 2 monitors open with various code and then 1 showing my simulations or crap (I do make em graphical once I get the quantum comp sims working, cause it makes the judges go oooo aaaaa)

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i think there's a quadro that does multi-monitor.... lemme check go-l.com lolz...
Nvidia Quadro NVS.. there we go... donno how much one of these things will cost though

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Does your dad need a hand doing anything else ? I'm available......

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This would need to be dual DVI btw....
Then there's no ATI option other than the Workstation cards. Tyan did release some initial Dual DVI R9600s, but they never delivered significant quantities beyond those early samples. You could even get a 4 DVI out/dual ATI R300 core card, but that would cost much more than all the solutions above, and likely your 3 montiros put together.

The Parhelia has dual DVI, but when using 3 monitors it's single DVI plus dual VGA.

Running the R9600/Pro with a PCI card would require a 3rd party software app like Multi-Mon (there is some basic additional multi-mon functionality in Rivatuner IIRC). Hydravision doesn't support it striaght out of the box, but it is doable with other software, just not with the standard install. SurroundView may be added later, and HydraVision may thus later included the added functionality. But of course, that's still at this time just a rumour started by MSI.

nV does support multi-monitor (up to 4 I think) straight out of the box with nView, and there are a few FX5700s out there with dual DVI. The thing is if you're not doing serious gaming (which the standard R9600non-pro can't handle either) then the Parhelia would do best, but any focus on gaming should point you towards an R9600<b>PRO</b> or an FX5700U.

My immediate suggestion would be something like the FX5700U with dual DVI from XFX. If it weren't for the DVI issue, I'd say you'd be ok with the R9600Pro and an R9000/9200 PCI.


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Heck, I'm surprised FLAMETHROWER actually even mentioned considering an ATi card. :eek:

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Are you going to finally replace the Quadro DCC here or is this for another rig?

And since when do you use "ATi" in your purchase decision posts? :wink:

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Eden, people have claimed for the last 100000 years that Ati is 50x10^1000 better at dual monitor bla bla bla, so why limit my options? Now as it stands the 5700U may do better, which is fine (esp if it can do 4 monitors with NView). I may have to kiss the DCC bye bye, yes (it goes to my bro's rig then).

Actually, since I currently use an NV, I'm wondering if I could get a dual output PCI card and use it in conjunction with Nview to get 3 mons outta my quadro?
Now to find a PCI slot....

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Just thought I'd post this to whet your whistle, and it's Silent too. :cool:

<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040306065308.html" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040306065308.html</A>

I'd think that would be a pretty good choice depending on your needs.

BTW, ATI does do Many things in multi-monitor better, but then again nV does some things better than Ati (more than 2 monitors being a big diff.), But of course they both suck compared to Matrox. :evil:

<b>Eden</b>, yeah surprising, but I think we may see alot of reform in the near future from all sides.


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 03/09/04 06:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
OOoops! Yeah sorry, rushy fingers at work (9 mins left and wanted to get that to you). I'll go back and fix mine too, thanx! :eek:

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eden

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That is still surprising in my eyes, but now I got my own surprise upon checking THG's CeBIT article. You may be interested in the following:
With the production of PCI Express-capable graphics cards, Sapphire is equipped for the future, because PCI Express is the new graphics card standard. Because of this, ATI, instead of modifying old chips, has developed a new chip especially for PCI Express. <b>What else is there? The RADEON 9800 and RADEON 9800SE are being offered with Dual DVI-I and VIVO. Whether 2x analog or 2x digital or combined - anything is possible with these cards! Sapphire (Hall 23, B50) is presenting its new cards based on the Radeon 9200, 9600 and 9800 at CeBIT. </b>
Hmm, 9800, yummier than 9600, right? Overall coverage of the story was a bit vague, but correct me if I am wrong, it seems ATi or Sapphire are going to release some Dual DVI ports with VIVO, no?

I may be wrong though.

Anyways, good luck.

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for the last 100000 years that Ati is 50x10^1000 better

Oh and btw, it's 200 000 years and ATi is not 50 times 10 to the power of one thousand better, but to the power of 2000. Get it right you DCC freak!

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nuh uh, cause ln(yo momma) = -pi!! o.0

We have a slight issue tho. As much as these cards are nice, the card I;m getting will be like a temporary thing (less than a year fo sho) till I apply to college and spend my 3 balls on a new computer. It's rather pointless to spend upwards of 150 on a new card for now. The 5700Ultra will be my target, but my dad may get a bit iffy on it...Problem is I REALLY don't want a 5200 (which also has 2xDVI).

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How could your dad be iffed over 200$ for a card? You're weird with your family wealth!

That aside, I don't think 150$ is enough for the 5700 Ultra anyways.

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Let's put it this way: he argued with this gas clerk over 10 cents, but has no issue dropping 50 large on a family car. I don't get it either hehe. 181 is the XFX, it's pushing it but I'll deal.

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did u read my post?? the QUADRO!! THE QUADRO!!!

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The NVS280 PCI is 219....but it's PCI and the performance of that line seems to be pretty weak. There is an AGP version but it's dual monitor only, so I think the 5700U will be my best shot. Thx tho, I didn't even know that line existed!

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You will want to stick to NV in this case. ATI offers no vertical or horizontal span support, this leaves only FS9 for multimonitor gaming support in ATI-world.
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We're not sure why ATi's cards don't support spanning modes. Most likely, the driver is to blame. The driver treats ATi multi-monitor cards like two individual devices, each with its own driver. As a result, ATi's cards have to be considered second choice for dual-monitor gaming setups.
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I noticed this with my 9800 Pro and found it a rather lackluster solution for dual monitor support.

X2- The Threat works for NV as well as others.
I've said it many, many times.. its all about quality drivers.

<A HREF="http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040216/index.html" target="_new">THG Dual Display article</A>

One thing I do is startup two instances of a multiplayer game (EQ) and run two at once, with one on each monitor. Makes it nice to not have to switch between windows when power-leveling or if in a raid with 2 toons active.

That article has all the information you should need.
The article lists a <A HREF="http://www.xfxforce.com/product_view.php?sku=PVT36FND" target="_new">5700U XFX</A> and <A HREF="http://www.gainward.com/c-1.html?id=126" target="_new">Gainward</A> as having dual DVI output cards.

I like the Gainward Golden Sample personally but I would get whichever brand is cheaper.

Good luck!

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BTW, spanning is possible, just not with the original driver software. Colorgraphic offers support using ATI's hardware straight out of the box, but their box is very customized with customized drivers, and very expensive (they tend to do very large displays), as well as some mid-size setups like the l (lower case L) system for the GrandCanyon Displays.

It is possible, but like I mentioned you need additional software, whereas with nV you can do it straight out of the box with nView. But still, even then MATROX does it better. :evil:


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Does it better as in you are able to count the FPS on your hand watching a Parhelia? :wink:

Sorry I didnt mean to step to the sacred Matrox brotherhood. [shock]

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