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Hi,

I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
things are on the wish list:
- on motion detection
- send e-mail
- save the video (preferably via FTP)
- decent image under low light
- make the video stream available via the Internet

No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
I get.

We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
system to run one application...

Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?


Thanks,

Tim
 
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"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
> things are on the wish list:
> - on motion detection
> - send e-mail
> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
> - decent image under low light
> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>
> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
> I get.
>
> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
> system to run one application...
>
> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?

For software, you might have a look at the free, unlimited
HomeSentinel at http://bobday.vze.com

-- Bob Day
 
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>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>> things are on the wish list:
>> - on motion detection
>> - send e-mail
>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>> - decent image under low light
>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>>
>> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>> I get.
>>
>> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>> system to run one application...
>>
>> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>
>For software, you might have a look at the free, unlimited
>HomeSentinel at http://bobday.vze.com

Thanks Bob,

but I'm afraid that Windows XP won't run on the Pentium machine. Is
Windows XP really necessary for HomeSentinel? Any experience with it?


Cheers,
Tim
 
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dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
think price is <$200 area


"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
> things are on the wish list:
> - on motion detection
> - send e-mail
> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
> - decent image under low light
> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>
> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
> I get.
>
> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
> system to run one application...
>
> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
 
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I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4

0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?

There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(


Thanks,

Tim

>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>think price is <$200 area
>
>
>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>> things are on the wish list:
>> - on motion detection
>> - send e-mail
>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>> - decent image under low light
>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>>
>> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>> I get.
>>
>> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>> system to run one application...
>>
>> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>
 
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F 1.4 is the lens opening
film relates to the amount of light let onto the film plane
sort of goes along with film speed
1.4 is faster bigger hole into the soul than 1.8 or 2.0
affects depth of field too but not quite as strongly in digital
film wide low number f stop = shallow depth of field
i haven't played with film in a long time,,,
you forget that stuff once your kid grows up.

"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:20the116jgb0iouk4qmak162p7n3hn59p5@4ax.com...
>I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>
> 0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>
> There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>think price is <$200 area
>>
>>
>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>> things are on the wish list:
>>> - on motion detection
>>> - send e-mail
>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>> - decent image under low light
>>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>
>>> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>> I get.
>>>
>>> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>> system to run one application...
>>>
>>> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>
>
 
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Thanks for the info!


>F 1.4 is the lens opening
>film relates to the amount of light let onto the film plane
> sort of goes along with film speed
> 1.4 is faster bigger hole into the soul than 1.8 or 2.0
>affects depth of field too but not quite as strongly in digital
>film wide low number f stop = shallow depth of field
>i haven't played with film in a long time,,,
>you forget that stuff once your kid grows up.
>
>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:20the116jgb0iouk4qmak162p7n3hn59p5@4ax.com...
>>I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>>
>> 0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>>
>> There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>>think price is <$200 area
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>>> things are on the wish list:
>>>> - on motion detection
>>>> - send e-mail
>>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>>> - decent image under low light
>>>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>>
>>>> No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>>> I get.
>>>>
>>>> We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>>> files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>>> slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>>> system to run one application...
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>
 
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Tim wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
> things are on the wish list:
> - on motion detection
> - send e-mail
> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
> - decent image under low light
> - make the video stream available via the Internet
> ¨¨
Hello Tim

I can't help you much with the camera, my software does all
you need [and more 🙂]. It works with any windows video device
(assuming you need windows software).

A new version has been released just this week.

As the software is still under development, you can apply for a free
license.

Look at it here: http://logisphere.seiz.ch/
 
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>> things are on the wish list:
>> - on motion detection
>> - send e-mail
>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>> - decent image under low light
>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>> ¨¨
>Hello Tim
>
>I can't help you much with the camera, my software does all
>you need [and more 🙂]. It works with any windows video device
>(assuming you need windows software).
>
>A new version has been released just this week.
>
>As the software is still under development, you can apply for a free
>license.
>
>Look at it here: http://logisphere.seiz.ch/

Something else I was wondering about: is the image quality of a webcam
as good as that of an IP camera? Are they using similar cameras?

I always thought that the range of an webcam would be about a metre,
while that of an IP cam would typically be over 10 metres. Or is this
just bullshit?


Cheers,
Tim
 
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>> things are on the wish list:
>> - on motion detection
>> - send e-mail
>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>> - decent image under low light
>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>> ¨¨
>Hello Tim
>
>I can't help you much with the camera, my software does all
>you need [and more 🙂]. It works with any windows video device
>(assuming you need windows software).
>
>A new version has been released just this week.
>
>As the software is still under development, you can apply for a free
>license.
>
>Look at it here: http://logisphere.seiz.ch/

Thanks. I'll check out the Sphere/Orbit and of course your software
🙂


Cheers,
Tim
 
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> Something else I was wondering about: is the image quality of a webcam
> as good as that of an IP camera? Are they using similar cameras?
>
> I always thought that the range of an webcam would be about a metre,
> while that of an IP cam would typically be over 10 metres. Or is this
> just bullshit?
>
My experience is: you get what you pay
for. Buy a cheap camera, and you'll get a lousy picture.

Buy an expensive (IP) camera, and you'll receive excellent pictures,
optical zoom, night vision and the like.

Have a look at this (expensive) Axis 2130R:
http://www.webtruck.org/track/cams/
Optical 16x zoom, 310degress pan, 110degrees pan
Price tag: from 1600 USD...
 
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Tim wrote:
> I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>
> 0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>
> There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>think price is <$200 area
>>
>>
>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>>things are on the wish list:
>>>- on motion detection
>>> - send e-mail
>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>>- decent image under low light
>>>- make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>
>>>No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>>I get.
>>>
>>>We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>>files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>>slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>>system to run one application...
>>>
>>>Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Tim
>>
>
Another problem with the DCS-950 is that it has a CMOS sensor and these
aren't good under low light conditions....a quarter inch CMOS sensor
with .5 lux sensitivity?..If it had a built in IR led system then fine,
but it doesn't. One way around it is to build up your own IR led arrays
if you are electronically bent that is. I use 3x30 led IR arrays to
illuminate a (CMOS)cam outside at night (currently offline) which works
quite well as there is no visible light if you want to monitor a room in
the dark.
 
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>> I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>>
>> 0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>>
>> There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>>think price is <$200 area
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>>>things are on the wish list:
>>>>- on motion detection
>>>> - send e-mail
>>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>>>- decent image under low light
>>>>- make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>>
>>>>No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>>>I get.
>>>>
>>>>We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>>>files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>>>slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>>>system to run one application...
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Tim
>>>
>>
>Another problem with the DCS-950 is that it has a CMOS sensor and these
>aren't good under low light conditions....a quarter inch CMOS sensor
>with .5 lux sensitivity?..If it had a built in IR led system then fine,
>but it doesn't. One way around it is to build up your own IR led arrays
>if you are electronically bent that is. I use 3x30 led IR arrays to
>illuminate a (CMOS)cam outside at night (currently offline) which works
>quite well as there is no visible light if you want to monitor a room in
>the dark.

Will this work with an ordinary camera as well? I thought all those
cams had an IR filter in front of the lens, so I'd think the IR led
array woudn't make a difference.


Cheers,

Tim
 
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Tim wrote:
>>>I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>>>
>>>0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>>>
>>>There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>>>think price is <$200 area
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>>>>things are on the wish list:
>>>>>- on motion detection
>>>>> - send e-mail
>>>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>>>>- decent image under low light
>>>>>- make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>>>
>>>>>No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>>>>I get.
>>>>>
>>>>>We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>>>>files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>>>>slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>>>>system to run one application...
>>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim
>>>>
>>Another problem with the DCS-950 is that it has a CMOS sensor and these
>>aren't good under low light conditions....a quarter inch CMOS sensor
>>with .5 lux sensitivity?..If it had a built in IR led system then fine,
>>but it doesn't. One way around it is to build up your own IR led arrays
>>if you are electronically bent that is. I use 3x30 led IR arrays to
>>illuminate a (CMOS)cam outside at night (currently offline) which works
>>quite well as there is no visible light if you want to monitor a room in
>>the dark.
>
>
> Will this work with an ordinary camera as well? I thought all those
> cams had an IR filter in front of the lens, so I'd think the IR led
> array woudn't make a difference.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
All CMOS and CCD cameras are sensitive to IR light. If you want to test
it all you have to do is set up a DV cam (or even an old analogue video
cam), to your TV and aim the TV's remote at the cam and press a few
buttons and watch the screen. Or, if you can get away with it, go into a
computer shop (with your tv remote) and if they have a demo cam running,
aim your remote at the cam and try it!
They are most sensitive to IR 'light' in the range of about 890nm which
is good as this is the wavelength that produces the least amount (none!)
of visible light. The drawback of using IR is that the image is in B&W.
I am using it on an old Intel 'Ezycam' (false advertising there!..and no
longer made) and also a Swann weatherproof camera, which is currently
not working very well due to 'looking' directly into the sun which
didn't do it's sensor any good!
 
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>>>>I found the DCS-950 on their website, with 0,5 flux @ F 1,4
>>>>
>>>>0,5 flux is pretty good. What does F 1,4 mean?
>>>>
>>>>There's one problem though: it's not sold around here :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>dlink has a .5fc network ip cam,
>>>>>think price is <$200 area
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tim" <tim.INVALID.ADDRESS@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:5l7he1plpgbueghebhh0go95pi9pvjhp65@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>>>>>things are on the wish list:
>>>>>>- on motion detection
>>>>>> - send e-mail
>>>>>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>>>>>>- decent image under low light
>>>>>>- make the video stream available via the Internet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No problem on the last item, if I'm a little careful with what router
>>>>>>I get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We've got an old computer (Pentium 100) we'd like to use to store the
>>>>>>files on. That's why FTP would be great, then I'd be able to use a
>>>>>>slim system with just an FTP server, instead of a full-fledged Windows
>>>>>>system to run one application...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any ideas on what software/camera combination to use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tim
>>>>>
>>>Another problem with the DCS-950 is that it has a CMOS sensor and these
>>>aren't good under low light conditions....a quarter inch CMOS sensor
>>>with .5 lux sensitivity?..If it had a built in IR led system then fine,
>>>but it doesn't. One way around it is to build up your own IR led arrays
>>>if you are electronically bent that is. I use 3x30 led IR arrays to
>>>illuminate a (CMOS)cam outside at night (currently offline) which works
>>>quite well as there is no visible light if you want to monitor a room in
>>>the dark.
>>
>>
>> Will this work with an ordinary camera as well? I thought all those
>> cams had an IR filter in front of the lens, so I'd think the IR led
>> array woudn't make a difference.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim
>All CMOS and CCD cameras are sensitive to IR light. If you want to test
>it all you have to do is set up a DV cam (or even an old analogue video
>cam), to your TV and aim the TV's remote at the cam and press a few
>buttons and watch the screen. Or, if you can get away with it, go into a
>computer shop (with your tv remote) and if they have a demo cam running,
>aim your remote at the cam and try it!
>They are most sensitive to IR 'light' in the range of about 890nm which
>is good as this is the wavelength that produces the least amount (none!)
>of visible light. The drawback of using IR is that the image is in B&W.
>I am using it on an old Intel 'Ezycam' (false advertising there!..and no
>longer made) and also a Swann weatherproof camera, which is currently
>not working very well due to 'looking' directly into the sun which
>didn't do it's sensor any good!

Thanks Kim, very interesting!
 
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LogiSphere wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm looking for a cam and software to monitor one room. The following
>>things are on the wish list:
>> - on motion detection
>> - send e-mail
>> - save the video (preferably via FTP)
>> - decent image under low light
>> - make the video stream available via the Internet
>>¨¨
>
> Hello Tim
>
> I can't help you much with the camera, my software does all
> you need [and more 🙂]. It works with any windows video device
> (assuming you need windows software).
>
> A new version has been released just this week.
>
> As the software is still under development, you can apply for a free
> license.
>
> Look at it here: http://logisphere.seiz.ch/
Thats a nice piece of software! Even works under Firefox.
I am tempted to install the .Net framework again. Also tempted to buy a
new camera to take advantage of the PT option.
Can you format the date/time?
EG: Could it display it as 'Friday 29 July 2005 18:51:57'?
 
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kim wrote:

>> Look at it here: http://logisphere.seiz.ch/
> Thats a nice piece of software! Even works under Firefox.
> I am tempted to install the .Net framework again. Also tempted to buy a
> new camera to take advantage of the PT option.
> Can you format the date/time?
> EG: Could it display it as 'Friday 29 July 2005 18:51:57'?

Right now the software displays the date according to system defaults.
Future releases might bring configurable date display - this depends on
demand.
 
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>> Something else I was wondering about: is the image quality of a webcam
>> as good as that of an IP camera? Are they using similar cameras?
>>
>> I always thought that the range of an webcam would be about a metre,
>> while that of an IP cam would typically be over 10 metres. Or is this
>> just bullshit?
>>
>My experience is: you get what you pay
>for. Buy a cheap camera, and you'll get a lousy picture.
>
>Buy an expensive (IP) camera, and you'll receive excellent pictures,
>optical zoom, night vision and the like.
>
>Have a look at this (expensive) Axis 2130R:
>http://www.webtruck.org/track/cams/
>Optical 16x zoom, 310degress pan, 110degrees pan
>Price tag: from 1600 USD...

Thanks, but that's a bit steep to my liking 🙂