Is 980ti overkill at 1080p anymore ?

[dsr07mm]

Let's say for one brief moment that these rumours are true..

We already have problems with releases like Syndicate, Hitman or even The Division to keep 60+ fps with all gameworks settings turned on. With these numbers what do you expect in future ?

Can't help myself and not to start discussion about this since I paid like 300$ for upgrade from 970 to 980ti and at the moment I'm really happy. But looking at hardware (upcoming) assuming that optimization will go that way aswel I'm really worried.

Those are rumours, but if it's true what's your opinion on that ?

 

[junkeymonkey]

they say it is ?? but for me overkill today maybe just what you need tomorrow and may save you from having to buy another ''better'' card down the road ??

and then what you said here from above '' and at the moment I'm really happy. '' is all that matters anyway in the end

as long as ''YOUR'' happy don't worry about what anyone else has to say [probably jealous of you anyway ]

 

[dsr07mm]

they say it is ?? but for me overkill today maybe just what you need tomorrow and may save you from having to buy another ''better'' card down the road ??

and then what you said here from above '' and at the moment I'm really happy. '' is all that matters anyway in the end

as long as ''YOUR'' happy don't worry about what anyone else has to say [probably jealous of you anyway ]

Yeah I know but since this is forum, place for discussion what are other people thoughts on these specs ? I feel like that gaming marketing as usually will force creating more demanding engines and games which will be able to be played fine mostly on Pascal while older gpus will go slowly behind a lot. Will those be mostly for higher resolutions ? I was just like..suuree..5 days after buying 980ti I get this "rumour" 🙁

 

[azzazel_99]

heck no. I dont have any issues in games running max settings with well over 60fps in games like division 😛 but my wife has a 970 and she can hold 60fps on max performance setting and gets 58+ fps. It sits at 60 but occasionally dips to 58 or 57 fps. the 980ti will be fine for awhile and you can always get another when they drop in price and sli it

 

[PatrioticPickle]

It should be overkill, but it isn't as you said with Hitman and the division's shitty optimization makes this card not really overkill.

It all comes down to how games are optimized, and if you ask me.. PC ports are getting worse and worse. Which then forces us to buy high end hardware.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Depends on monitor refresh rate.

 

[Vellinious]

Even with a 144hz monitor, a 980ti for 1080 gaming is overkill. In the end, it's all about the upgrade path....gonna upgrade monitors to a higher resolution before you replace the GPU? Then the 980ti would be a good fit. BUT, if you plan on upgrading the GPU again before upgrading to a higher resolution monitor, then yes....the 980ti a waste of $$$.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

A 980 Ti is not going to pass 144 FPS in any recent AAA titles at 1080p maxed. The best value cards even in the long term, is always the mid range cards, 970/R9 390 currently. By the time you "justify" the cost for a 980 Ti, cheaper and newer and faster cards would already have made you spend less, for basically the same performance.

 

[Gamer1985]

So the cards labeled X80, X80TI and X80Titan are supposed to be rumoured Pascal releases? If so, why is it that the memory is labeled GDDR5 for the X80 and X80TI? I thought the whole lineup was to receive the HBM2 memory chipsets?

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Likely just a small bump in performance. There's no way a company as greedy as NVIDIA is going to ever give the advantage to the consumer. They'll always want you to spend as much as humanly possible. And whether or not HBM makes a difference is debatable. It's pointless to the average consumer, but a good advancement for the tech savy. What caused this performance increase out of the blue was the hype surrounding it. And, we all know that every single year AMD beats NVIDIA; forcing them to lower prices to something that's at least affordable. Both companies make the majority of their money from the low end and mid end markets, enthusiasts would get the best regardless. Oh, and I must add. In the tech/gamer world, a 10 FPS higher performance increase in games is considered massive, think about that for a second.

 

[dsr07mm]

Likely just a small bump in performance. There's no way a company as greedy as NVIDIA is going to ever give the advantage to the consumer. They'll always want you to spend as much as humanly possible. And whether or not HBM makes a difference is debatable. It's pointless to the average consumer, but a good advancement for the tech savy. What caused this performance increase out of the blue was the hype surrounding it. And, we all know that every single year AMD beats NVIDIA; forcing them to lower prices to something that's at least affordable. Both companies make the majority of their money from the low end and mid end markets, enthusiasts would get the best regardless. Oh, and I must add. In the tech/gamer world, a 10 FPS higher performance increase in games is considered massive, think about that for a second.

This is what I'm thinking. Or even if they throw out first chip, second will depend on number of sales.

I'm on 60hz but I hate seeing fps dips and I actually feel that in term of smoothness with mouse in previosly mentioned games. In theory 980ti should be good, but with new hardware optimization will be more terrible just to push new hardware in better light. That's my opinion and I wanted to see does other agree with that.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

You can go two directions, buy a slightly cheaper GPU, say the R9 390 (because FreeSync is cheaper than GSync), and play using FreeSync. This will ensure all drops are still synced, no screen tear, no input lag, no stuttering. You can get this for the same price as a single 980 Ti:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
Monitor: Asus MG279Q 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($559.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $859.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-17 21:27 EDT-0400

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Keep your 980 Ti, and buy a GSync monitor, although expect to pay a huge premium, that won't change. I don't care how many fanboys say otherwise, GSync is definitely overpriced for what it is.

This will ensure you won't feel those problems, therefore you don't have to monitor your FPS counter 24/7, or have it open in games like a lot of people are obsessed by doing, it's absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.

Given how bad optimisation is nowadays, partly because developers don't get enough time to work on games, and partly because there are so many variations of hardware available on the market, GSync/FreeSync is more or less necessary, for a smooth experience. Even if you're pushing 100 FPS on a 60 Hz display, you're still going to feel the micro stutter, the frame timings are not tied to the frame rates.

There's a lot of confusion about this topic. People are comparing for instance console 30 FPS to their PC games 30 FPS. It's literally night and day most of the time. But none the less, at least consider one or the other of the options. Spending more money on a new GPU is not going to last as long as a new monitor, which looks like a better solution at the moment. There are cheaper monitors as well.

 

[azzazel_99]

Pretty sure rhe 980ti is $650 range so that $800 bit you are trying to say is a better deal is way out of whack. The 980ti will only last him longer if anything before needing another upgrade. The 980ti will give you hreat performance at 1080p or 1440p and its cheaper than its predecessor the 780ti which i own 2 of. I purchased my cards because i want to be able to play on high and ultra for the next 3-4 years. Buying lower end slower cards will give you ultra now at 1080p but what about next year? Or the year after? And the year after that? By the time im just getting to high/medium settings at lowest you'll be on low with maybe some mediums in there.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Yeah, but in the long run it makes sense. There are plenty of FreeSync/GSync monitors at different price. The one I used as an example is the best one that makes the most sense in my opinion.

 

[JUICEhunter]

I plan to get the next X80ti GPU and keeping my 1080p G-sync 144hz monitor. My 780ti still does me well after 2+ years producing very high settings/fps but getting an almost 2x performance update is enough for me after maybe the first batch of price drops.

There is always 4k DSR if you have an abundance of FPS which does take things to the next level. G-sync/High Hz is amazing and an upgrade itself, I've seen 24in & 27in 144hz G-sync monitors from ACER on sale at microcenter for $299/$399.

 

[dsr07mm]

I just want my 1080p60fps nothing else on 60hz monitor. That is gaming for me.. peasent 🙁 Btw I did bought 980ti already, G1 edition, high overclocked already but some games are dipping to 30fps with gameworks options like Syndicate and The Division with PCSS Shadows. I was just afraid that at one point they will ruin performance by implementing gameworks into game engines for the sake of Pascal and new arhitecture, fiascos are always expected with Nvidia and AMD.

 

[azzazel_99]

Hmm thats odd. You should not be dipping in division. I run it maxed out on my system and my wifes with dips from 60 to 57-58 at the lowest. NO dips on my system at all. Sounds like you may need to do a clean install of your drivers and make sure your motherboard is on the latest bios also.

 

[RobCrezz]

So the cards labeled X80, X80TI and X80Titan are supposed to be rumoured Pascal releases? If so, why is it that the memory is labeled GDDR5 for the X80 and X80TI? I thought the whole lineup was to receive the HBM2 memory chipsets?

Should be GDDR5X, I think the ti and the titan should be HBM2

 

[JUICEhunter]

You're no peasant with a 980ti, I also assumed when I got my 780ti 2 years ago i'd be able to max everything and that was mostly true, then comes witcher 2s uber sampling and no... Still to this day a 980ti can't.

What's my point? There are always settings out there that ANY graphics setup will have trouble with, but for example running the division on high gives my setup which isn't as fast as yours fps of 65-85 in the taxing areas and the game still looks great, I saw a video of highest settings vs lowest and they were almost the same, for the division at least I know other games can be way different but for some reason the division didn't.

 

[dsr07mm]

You're no peasant with a 980ti, I also assumed when I got my 780ti 2 years ago i'd be able to max everything and that was mostly true, then comes witcher 2s uber sampling and no... Still to this day a 980ti can't.

What's my point? There are always settings out there that ANY graphics setup will have trouble with, but for example running the division on high gives my setup which isn't as fast as yours fps of 65-85 in the taxing areas and the game still looks great, I saw a video of highest settings vs lowest and they were almost the same, for the division at least I know other games can be way different but for some reason the division didn't.

Agree, just hoping that they will not implement gameworks into some engine or majority of games as option which will be standard.

 

[wh3resmycar]

Likely just a small bump in performance. There's no way a company as greedy as NVIDIA is going to ever give the advantage to the consumer. They'll always want you to spend as much as humanly possible. And whether or not HBM makes a difference is debatable. It's pointless to the average consumer, but a good advancement for the tech savy. What caused this performance increase out of the blue was the hype surrounding it. And, we all know that every single year AMD beats NVIDIA; forcing them to lower prices to something that's at least affordable. Both companies make the majority of their money from the low end and mid end markets, enthusiasts would get the best regardless. Oh, and I must add. In the tech/gamer world, a 10 FPS higher performance increase in games is considered massive, think about that for a second.

it's not debatable. the next gen are not sticking with HBM1, they're gunning out with HBM2. i don't think there's anything to debate about gddr5 vs hbm tech. gddr5 is on the way out for flagships.

fury's lackluster performance is to be blamed on AMD not HBM which should be solved by getting a smaller node (power consumption) and hbm2 (vram density).

i just hope that nobody spends $700 to $1000 on a gddr5X "ti" edition card from any of you here. that'll be a shame. because we all know an hbm2 equipped card will come out and if you fell on that trap, you'll end up creating threads here crying why nvidia scammed you.

 

[JUICEhunter]

You're no peasant with a 980ti, I also assumed when I got my 780ti 2 years ago i'd be able to max everything and that was mostly true, then comes witcher 2s uber sampling and no... Still to this day a 980ti can't.

What's my point? There are always settings out there that ANY graphics setup will have trouble with, but for example running the division on high gives my setup which isn't as fast as yours fps of 65-85 in the taxing areas and the game still looks great, I saw a video of highest settings vs lowest and they were almost the same, for the division at least I know other games can be way different but for some reason the division didn't.

Agree, just hoping that they will not implement gameworks into some engine or majority of games as option which will be standard.

I wouldn't worry about it as you can always turn these options off such as hair works on witcher 3.

They have to push visuals for a few reasons; who wants games to look the same forever and also why buy new hardware if games look/run the same.

 

[gridironcj]

Even SLI isn't overkill at 1080p, depending on what your graphics settings are and your framerate target. For example, if you want a near-constant 144FPS in Battlefield 4 at 1920x1080, max settings, you'll need two 980Ti's, not just one. The notion of a 980 Ti being overkill for 1920x1080 is honestly a bunch of crap. It seems like 970 owners spew this nonsense to make themselves feel like they have a relatively powerful card.

 

[Crazy3001]

Even SLI isn't overkill at 1080p, depending on what your graphics settings are and your framerate target. For example, if you want a near-constant 144FPS in Battlefield 4 at 1920x1080, max settings, you'll need two 980Ti's, not just one. The notion of a 980 Ti being overkill for 1920x1080 is honestly a bunch of crap. It seems like 970 owners spew this nonsense to make themselves feel like they have a relatively powerful card.

So is a 970 not a relatively powerful card?

 

[wh3resmycar]

well there are different use-cases. i sold my gtx970, replaced it with a 960 because i have around 90 games on my steam library that are from 2 to 5 years ago that i want to play (just finished kingdom of amalur) . i still think that a 970 was way too powerful for borderland/2 (or any particular game in my library) at 1080p 60fps.

gridiron has 2 gtx980ti (posted on another thread), "relatively", a 970 is a weak for him.

but again, different use cases. and newer games on a very different engine demands more graphics horsepower. unlike the yesteryears where (mostly)everything is based on unreal3.

here's my very own hierarchy of GPU decision-flow

#1 Budget
#2 Performance (target fps, target resolution)
#3 Power Consumption