Is Intel Doomed? (Plus random stuff): Part 2

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Ray tracing requires OpenGL 3.2 at this time. As far as I know DirectX 11 wont get it. nVidia has no current plans to bring OpenGL 3.2, not that it wont happen but that we don't know when, while ATI is scheduled to release it this year.

Your uncle "may" have seen a demonstration, but ATI has been showing it off for years already. It doesn't mean it will be in the consumer product.

Out for more than a year using dual 4870s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTh_aushEU4
 
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=6
At any rate, the demo program they are showing off is a hybrid program that showcases the use of both rasterization and ray tracing for rendering a car. As we already know from the original Fermi introduction, GF100 is supposed to be much faster than GT200 at ray tracing, thanks in large part due to the L1 cache architecture of GF100. The demo we saw of a GF100 card next to a GT200 card had the GF100 card performing roughly 3x as well as the GT200 card. This specific demo still runs at less than a frame per second (0.63 on the GF100 card) so it’s by no means true real-time ray tracing, but it’s getting faster all the time. For lower quality ray tracing, certainly this would be doable in real-time.
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Dude, ray tracing is far off at this point. It has nothing to do with brand, it has everything to do with hardware. The fact is that nVidia can delay releasing OpenGL for a few years and it likely wont impact them.

Your right they do blend rasterization and RT, but that is not a good thing. RT is meant to replace rasterization, and a pure RT demo couldn't even be played at .63 FPS.

It has nothing to do with nVidia or ATI, RT is a mute point and is going to be for many years to come.
 
wow is the best pc game ever so stfu
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wow is the best sell videogame of all time it is why pc game is still alive. everyone is buying new graphics card for cataclysm. the new engine is supposed to come out patch at same time.
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WoW Cataclysm won't need a 5770 let alone the GTX 280 or 5870, Blizzard is none for decent graphics that are extremely well optimized.
 
u just sound like a wow hater go back to watching batman
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Why do you care what someone with a cat avatar thinks? :)

its not true i have sli and when i go to daleron i get only like 20 fps. they are making a new engine to increase graphics and hope for tesselation so nvidia can have some good graphic from cuda core
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Really? My dual 8800 GTS 512mbs play ~40 FPS just fine and they aren't exactly power houses today.
 
what are your setting though maybe i have better setting. i dont like to play my game at 640 with 0x 0x like ati card
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Like ATI cards? Bro the fastest card on the planet are made by ATI and will likely stay that way for 6-12 months thansk to the 5970.

I play with max settings at 1920x1200 without AA or AF.
 
No... no one knows that, the best we can hope for is about 2.2-2.3x the performance of the GTX 285 which is basically 5970 performance. The most likely outcome is just under the 5970. Not saying that it will be the inferior product, it may be priced much better, just that you need to have realistic expectations.
 


RT?
 


Ugh, JDJ... you and your acronyms 😀

Anyway did no one else notice Nvidia only said Fermi would be for the high end only? That, imo, is a huge, huge, huge hit to their potential market.
 
Nvidia said gf100 is 8% faster than 5970 and cheaper than 500 dollar msrp mark.
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ATI says that by buying a 5xxx series card you will automatically be cured of cancer.

Never trust what a company says about their products performance.

If anything, that is a very cryptic expectation, as a companies own figures tend to be at least 20% higher than the real performance. Then again I've heard no such thing and am taking my grain of salt with it.
 
Nvidia said gf100 is 8% faster than 5970 and cheaper than 500 dollar msrp mark.
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Ummm... no they didn't. They said it was 20% faster than a 5870 (still not faster than a 5970), it wouldn't have a dual GPU version because of size and heat issues, and that it has a much higher cost per wafer (or die?) than the Cypress chips- which means higher prices.
 


Right but I was under the impression that the only real way to do it commercially was with OpenGL.
 

By "commercially" do you mean in some product? I know CUDA is being used for ray tracing commercially (or will be at month's end anyway).
 

By "commercially" do you mean in some product? I know CUDA is being used for ray tracing commercially (or will be at month's end anyway).
 
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