Is it better to pick up Haswell instead of coffee lake because of high ram prices since i am not budget

[SeverinV]

So i am already have 12 GB of DDR3 ram.
Would it be good to pick up 4470/4490 instead of coffee lake since high ddr4 ram prices ?
What do you think ?
Cheers,

 

[13thmonkey]

what voltage is it? 1.5v?

 

[WildCard999]

What parts do you currently have besides the RAM?

 

[Ninjawithagun]

No, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 4470K or 4490K CPU when a brand new Coffee Lake will cost only $50 more. DDR4 prices are not bad as long as you stay in the lower frequency range; 2800Mhz or 3000Mhz and 8GB (or 16GB) is plenty for what you will need. Any memory faster than that is not worth the premium cost. Motherboards are fairly cheap too as long as you don't go into high tier gaming boards. If you are really that concerned about your budget, then consider buying an AMD Ryzen system. The reseller market will be flooded soon with 1st gen AMD Ryzen 5 and 7 CPUs thanks to AMD's 2nd gen Ryzen 5 CPUs now being released and 2nd gen Ryzen 7 CPUs being released later this month.

 

[Solandri]

The days when processors doubled in speed every 2-3 years are long gone. The speed increase with each new architecture (2 Intel tick-tock generations, or about 3 years) is now only about 5%-7%. So clock for clock, coffee lake should only be about 10-15% faster than haswell at single threaded tasks. The main things you'll be missing out on by using the older CPU are

• 
  ■Reduced power consumption.
  ■Increased core count on the i5 and i7 from 4 cores to 6 cores.
  ■Improved integrated GPU performance (this has been increasing much faster than CPU performance), including HDMI 2.0 support (4k @ 60 Hz video output using integrated graphics)
  ■USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt support (though you can always add a PCIe card for these)
  ■Decrypting of copy-protected streamed 4k video like Netflix (though newer discrete GPUs can do that for you).
  ■Haswell motherboards don't have M.2 slots if that's something you wanted to add.

Also be warned that Microsoft has limited Windows support for newer processors so you can only run Windows 10 on them. You cannot run previous versions of Windows on Coffee Lake. So if you wanted to install Win 7 or 8.1, then that by default excludes Coffee Lake from consideration. Hopefully Microsoft will not do the converse (prevent newer versions of Windows from running on older processors). But you never know.

 

[King_V]

I'd say that if you can pick up a used 4479/4490 relatively inexpensively, assuming you already have the motherboard, then it's worth considering. You'll get more performance from Coffee Lake, but I don't think it's enough better to justify having to buy new RAM and a motherboard.

Arguably, if you didn't have the motherboard yet, it still might make sense to save on having to purchase new RAM.

Then again, for me, it's usually all about bang-for-the-buck.

 

[aquielisunari]

So i am already have 12 GB of DDR3 ram.
Would it be good to pick up 4470/4490 instead of coffee lake since high ddr4 ram prices ?
What do you think ?
Cheers,

I would pick up a 4690 instead. I am a little partial because I own it. It's paired with a 1080 Ti.

. It is still capable of supporting today's modern AAA game titles and cards.

Someone said

No, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 4470K or 4490K CPU when a brand new Coffee Lake will cost only $50 more.

. My response to that is what about the DDR4 RAM? The OP already has 12GB of RAM(more on that in a bit). An upgrade to a coffee lake system would involve new RAM because the DDR3 RAM is not compatible. That perspective isn't making sense because the total investment is well above $50 more.

@OP What about that 12GB RAM? Is that an 8GB and a 4GB module? Haswell prefers dual channel RAM kits.

You are sorta painting yourself into a corner as far as the CPU is concerned. I won't be changing my CPU for at least 2 or 3 years. Because this is a new build for you I just need to make sure you know an upgrade will only be possible with a 4790 which won't be a worthwhile upgrade. You could instead pick the 8400 i5 for $179. From there you have the hex core 8600(k) and 8700(k) And then the RAM prices topples that deck of cards. Or do they?

 

[aquielisunari]

So i am already have 12 GB of DDR3 ram.
Would it be good to pick up 4470/4490 instead of coffee lake since high ddr4 ram prices ?
What do you think ?
Cheers,

I would pick up a 4690 instead. I am a little partial because I own it. It's paired with a 1080 Ti.

. It is still capable of supporting today's modern AAA game titles and cards.

Someone said

No, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 4470K or 4490K CPU when a brand new Coffee Lake will cost only $50 more.

. My response to that is what about the DDR4 RAM? The OP already has 12GB of RAM(more on that in a bit). An upgrade to a coffee lake system would involve new RAM because the DDR3 RAM is not compatible. That perspective isn't making sense because the total investment is well above $50 more.

@OP What about that 12GB RAM? Is that an 8GB and a 4GB module? Haswell prefers dual channel RAM kits.

You are sorta painting yourself into a corner as far as the CPU is concerned. I won't be changing my CPU for at least 2 or 3 years. Because this is a new build for you I just need to make sure you know an upgrade will only be possible with a 4790 which won't be a worthwhile upgrade. You could instead pick the 8400 i5 for $179. From there you have the hex core 8600(k) and 8700(k) And then the RAM prices topples that deck of cards. Or do they?

 

[Eximo]

I recently snapped up an i7-4790, 8GB DDR-1600, 500GB hard drive in a Dell Optiplex 9020 for $250, likely a pricing error on their part. Aside from the proprietary power supply and fan connectors, not a big deal to use it as a gaming machine. (Moddiy carries the power adapters if you don't feel like wiring by hand)

Here is an i7-4770 with 4GB of memory for $360
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAJ26VE5747

i7-4770 with 8GB for $319
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAYZ6YC8661

The way I look at these is, if you have a socket compatible chip, you can buy this, drop in your old CPU and re-sell it. Or if you buy this and pick up a used pentium or something on ebay to re-sell it as a complete system. It can offset the cost of getting an i7 vs an i5 quite readily.

 

[SeverinV]

The days when processors doubled in speed every 2-3 years are long gone. The speed increase with each new architecture (2 Intel tick-tock generations, or about 3 years) is now only about 5%-7%. So clock for clock, coffee lake should only be about 10-15% faster than haswell at single threaded tasks. The main things you'll be missing out on by using the older CPU are

• 
  ■Reduced power consumption.
  ■Increased core count on the i5 and i7 from 4 cores to 6 cores.
  ■Improved integrated GPU performance (this has been increasing much faster than CPU performance), including HDMI 2.0 support (4k @ 60 Hz video output using integrated graphics)
  ■USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt support (though you can always add a PCIe card for these)
  ■Decrypting of copy-protected streamed 4k video like Netflix (though newer discrete GPUs can do that for you).
  ■Haswell motherboards don't have M.2 slots if that's something you wanted to add.

Also be warned that Microsoft has limited Windows support for newer processors so you can only run Windows 10 on them. You cannot run previous versions of Windows on Coffee Lake. So if you wanted to install Win 7 or 8.1, then that by default excludes Coffee Lake from consideration. Hopefully Microsoft will not do the converse (prevent newer versions of Windows from running on older processors). But you never know.

I do not know about 8th gen but on 6/7th gen you needed only to add drivers to your windows 7 instalation.
There are youtube videos showing you how to do it.
The same thing about ryzen.

 

[SeverinV]

So i am already have 12 GB of DDR3 ram.
Would it be good to pick up 4470/4490 instead of coffee lake since high ddr4 ram prices ?
What do you think ?
Cheers,

I would pick up a 4690 instead. I am a little partial because I own it. It's paired with a 1080 Ti.

. It is still capable of supporting today's modern AAA game titles and cards.

Someone said

No, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 4470K or 4490K CPU when a brand new Coffee Lake will cost only $50 more.

. My response to that is what about the DDR4 RAM? The OP already has 12GB of RAM(more on that in a bit). An upgrade to a coffee lake system would involve new RAM because the DDR3 RAM is not compatible. That perspective isn't making sense because the total investment is well above $50 more.

@OP What about that 12GB RAM? Is that an 8GB and a 4GB module? Haswell prefers dual channel RAM kits.

You are sorta painting yourself into a corner as far as the CPU is concerned. I won't be changing my CPU for at least 2 or 3 years. Because this is a new build for you I just need to make sure you know an upgrade will only be possible with a 4790 which won't be a worthwhile upgrade. You could instead pick the 8400 i5 for $179. From there you have the hex core 8600(k) and 8700(k) And then the RAM prices topples that deck of cards. Or do they?

2x4 GB and 2x2GB.
I bought the 2x2GB ddr3 1333Mhz when i switched to athlon II and bought 2x4GB when i switched to Phenom II.

 

[SeverinV]

I'd say that if you can pick up a used 4479/4490 relatively inexpensively, assuming you already have the motherboard, then it's worth considering. You'll get more performance from Coffee Lake, but I don't think it's enough better to justify having to buy new RAM and a motherboard.

Arguably, if you didn't have the motherboard yet, it still might make sense to save on having to purchase new RAM.

Then again, for me, it's usually all about bang-for-the-buck.

I do not have the motherboard yet, but i have 4 sticks of 1333 Mhz ram.

 

[13thmonkey]

No, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 4470K or 4490K CPU when a brand new Coffee Lake will cost only $50 more. DDR4 prices are not bad as long as you stay in the lower frequency range; 2800Mhz or 3000Mhz and 8GB (or 16GB) is plenty for what you will need. Any memory faster than that is not worth the premium cost. Motherboards are fairly cheap too as long as you don't go into high tier gaming boards. If you are really that concerned about your budget, then consider buying an AMD Ryzen system. The reseller market will be flooded soon with 1st gen AMD Ryzen 5 and 7 CPUs thanks to AMD's 2nd gen Ryzen 5 CPUs now being released and 2nd gen Ryzen 7 CPUs being released later this month.

Disagree, it's the cost of CPU+MOBO vs CPU+MOBO+RAM where in the second case the CPU and MOBO are more than in the first case, maybe it's only $50 each, but that + another $150 for memory is another $250 onto the system price. If that money was available putting it towards a GPU would give you a lot more bang for your buck.

Were RAM prices not insane (My last 16Gb only cost be about $60 equivalent), then I'd agree.

 

[King_V]

Were RAM prices not insane (My last 16Gb only cost be about $60 equivalent), then I'd agree.

Dang! I paid about $130 for 16GB of CL9 DDR3 (4x4GB) and thought it was a semi-decent deal. Almost everything I've seen for DDR4 has been notably more than DDR3.

Yeah, RAM prices are nuts.

 

[13thmonkey]

It was 2012