[SOLVED] Is it okay to overclock my i9-9900k?

I just ran Prime 95, version 30.3, build 3, Small FFT, with AVX completely disabled (all three AVX checkboxes checked).

I ran for 30 minutes and the highest temp I saw was 79C in HWiNFO64. I have NOT overclocked at all yet, ie..., the test was run at stock settings with all cores maxing out at 4.7Ghz simultaneously during the test.

My detailed specs are in my signature.

So is 79C at stock low enough to attempt a mild overclock?
 
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rickypicky5,

Although your test methodology is correct and your front-mounted radiator is optimal, as Phaaze88 already pointed out, a 240mm AIO isn't enough for overclocking the 9900K; a 280, 360 or custom loop is instead recommended.
Firstly running Prime95 gives 10 to 12c higher then say Aida64 or a non synthetic benchmark or stress test. So if you want to test it out on full load then use a free benchmark app and those stressed cores will really be 68c I bet you ...
Turtle Rig,

As is the case with the vast majority users, you appear to share a few of their misconceptions which we need to clear up for the OP's benefit, rickypicky5, as well as for our other forum...
No, it's not. That is pretty close to the maximum you would want to see if it WAS overclocked.

Either your configuration is not very good, you got a middle of the road sample or your cooling is lacking.

What are your full specs including CPU cooler and full case cooling configuration.

Try taking the side panel off and running the same test again to see if there is any difference.
 
@Darkbreeze
Their specs are in the signature.


Geez, 240mm hybrid coolers are not enough to be overclocking 9900K's on.

Wait a minute... didn't you have a thread about waiting for 9900Ks to go on sale, gave in, and bought one? Maybe it was someone else - the thread got to like 2-3 pages long.
Now you want to dip into overclocking, and don't have the cooling to do it. The investment won't be so cheap if you have to go and get a new cooler too...
Plus, the Arc Midi R2 doesn't support the sizes needed to do it.

Best to just take it like it is to maximize the deal you got on it...
 
Interesting responses. Personally, I don't think 79C at stock is all that bad, and my question referred to a mild overclock.

Currently, I have the 240mm radiator behind the dual 120mm fans attached to the front of the case, pulling air into the case and through the radiator. I don't have any other intake fans. At the top of the case I have two 140mm exhaust fans, and one rear 140mm exhaust fan.

My case will fit an NH-D15 if I raise its fan that sits over the RAM up a few mm. I would reinstall the two 140mm fans that came with the case to the front of the case if I did that. Then I'd have two 140mm fans as intake in front of the case and the other three case fans as exhaust. The NH-D15 fans would be oriented to push air to the back of the case toward the rear case fan. Do you think this configuration would improve temps?

Regardless of whether or not I can overclock, I'm still extremely pleased with my purchase of the i9-9900k for $350. :)
 
My case will fit an NH-D15 if I raise its fan that sits over the RAM up a few mm. I would reinstall the two 140mm fans that came with the case to the front of the case if I did that. Then I'd have two 140mm fans as intake in front of the case and the other three case fans as exhaust. The NH-D15 fans would be oriented to push air to the back of the case toward the rear case fan. Do you think this configuration would improve temps?
No.
Here, check this out:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGHiRrQ2AAo&t=280s


Blender, the test application used in the video, is a realistic workload, by the way.

Regardless of whether or not I can overclock, I'm still extremely pleased with my purchase of the i9-9900k for $350. :)
That's great! Let's keep it that way... just roll with what you got for now.
 
Thanks for the link. Very interesting video. Looks like under the best configurations, the i9-9900k is a mother to keep cool.

The CPU is more than fast enough for me at stock settings. The overclock question was more about whether or not 79C at stock was a decent result for that specific Prime 95 test configuration.
 
I have mounted my aio-radiator in the top of my case ( fans taking air from inside case, blowing it through radiator out of the case), 2 front fans as intaking and 1 back fan for outblowing.

Very good results. That means, your radiator with fans should be mounted at the top.
 
I have mounted my aio-radiator in the top of my case ( fans taking air from inside case, blowing it through radiator out of the case), 2 front fans as intaking and 1 back fan for outblowing.

Very good results. That means, your radiator with fans should be mounted at the top.
I was unable to try that configuration, even though my case specs indicated it was an option. The top CD cage makes it impossible for me to line up the radiator holes with the holes in top of the case, and the top CD cage is not removable.
 
I have mounted my aio-radiator in the top of my case ( fans taking air from inside case, blowing it through radiator out of the case), 2 front fans as intaking and 1 back fan for outblowing.

Very good results. That means, your radiator with fans should be mounted at the top.
Just because this is how you have your system arranged doesn't make it the "best" configuration, or make it one that other people "should" do the same as you. Fact is, it's ok that way, but if lower CPU temps are your goal then a front mounted radiator offers better cooling performance because you will be using the cooler outside ambient air to cool rather than the already heated air inside the case. The difference, minimal, but it exists.
 
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I just ran Prime 95, version 30.3, build 3, Small FFT, with AVX completely disabled (all three AVX checkboxes checked).

I ran for 30 minutes and the highest temp I saw was 79C in HWiNFO64. I have NOT overclocked at all yet, ie..., the test was run at stock settings with all cores maxing out at 4.7Ghz simultaneously during the test.

My detailed specs are in my signature.

So is 79C at stock low enough to attempt a mild overclock?
Well technically if the cores are at 4.7Ghz that is a overclock or a Turbo Boost because stock is 3.8Ghz I believe. What your asking is can you take it to 5Ghz or not and question is yet if you have sufficient cooling. Firstly running Prime95 gives 10 to 12c higher then say Aida64 or a non synthetic benchmark or stress test. So if you want to test it out on full load then use a free benchmark app and those stressed cores will really be 68c I bet you. The chip can go to 90c and still work fine so yes you can try for a overclock of more then 4.7Ghz on all cores and what not. 🤷‍♀️😲👶☮👩‍🦲
 
Well technically if the cores are at 4.7Ghz that is a overclock or a Turbo Boost because stock is 3.8Ghz I believe. What your asking is can you take it to 5Ghz or not and question is yet if you have sufficient cooling. Firstly running Prime95 gives 10 to 12c higher then say Aida64 or a non synthetic benchmark or stress test. So if you want to test it out on full load then use a free benchmark app and those stressed cores will really be 68c I bet you. The chip can go to 90c and still work fine so yes you can try for a overclock of more then 4.7Ghz on all cores and what not. 🤷‍♀️😲👶☮👩‍🦲
Sigh. SMDH
 
rickypicky5,

Although your test methodology is correct and your front-mounted radiator is optimal, as Phaaze88 already pointed out, a 240mm AIO isn't enough for overclocking the 9900K; a 280, 360 or custom loop is instead recommended.
Firstly running Prime95 gives 10 to 12c higher then say Aida64 or a non synthetic benchmark or stress test. So if you want to test it out on full load then use a free benchmark app and those stressed cores will really be 68c I bet you ...
Turtle Rig,

As is the case with the vast majority users, you appear to share a few of their misconceptions which we need to clear up for the OP's benefit, rickypicky5, as well as for our other forum members and visiting readers.

"Firstly" ... Prime95 Small FFTs (AVX disabled) IS "full load". Moreover, considering the numerous environmental, hardware and software variables involved, I wouldn't "bet" on 68°C. Such numbers get flung around websites and forums like gorilla poo in a cage. Respectfully, without specifying ambient temperature, precise workload conditions and power consumption (just to mention a few), it's not possible to predict Core temperatures with any degree of accuracy.

"Full load" is a popular but non-specific user term which could mean anything, so it's important to be very specific. Games, apps, streaming, rendering, transcoding and most utilities have partial, fluctuating workloads with fluctuating Core temperatures that are not well suited for testing thermal performance.

“Stress tests" vary widely and can be characterized into two categories; stability tests which are fluctuating workloads, and thermal tests which are steady workloads. Prime95 Small FFTs (AVX disabled) is ideally suited for testing thermal performance, because it conforms to Intel's Datasheets as a steady 100% workload with steady Core temperatures. No other non-proprietary utility can so closely replicate Intel's thermal test workload.

Utilities that don't overload or underload your processor will give you a valid thermal baseline. Here’s a comparison of utilities grouped as thermal and stability tests according to % of TDP, averaged across six processor Generations at stock settings rounded to the nearest 5%:

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Although these tests range from 70% to 130% TDP workload, Windows Task Manager interprets every test as 100% CPU Utilization, which is processor resource activity, not actual workload. Core temperatures respond directly to Power consumption (Watts), which is driven by workload. Prime95 Small FFTs (AVX disabled) provides a steady 100% workload, even when TDP is exceeded by overclocking. If Core temperatures don't exceed 80°C, your CPU should run the most demanding real-world workloads without overheating.

As you can see on the above scale, Prime95 (AVX enabled) imposes a brutal 130% workload. However, As per Intel’s Datasheets, TDP and Thermal Specifications are validated “without AVX which is why we run Prime95 Small FFTs without AVX for testing thermal performance. If OCCT's first CPU test, called "OCCT", is configured for Small Data Set and No AVX, then it's a steady 97% workload which is nearly identical to Prime95's Small FFTs without AVX.

The problem with AIDA64 is that it has 4 CPU related stress test selections (CPU, FPU, Cache, Memory) which have 15 possible combinations that yield 15 different workloads and 15 possible Core temperatures. The individual FPU test is about 115% TDP workload, the CPU/FPU combination is about 90%, all 4 tests combined is about 80% and the individual CPU test is only about 70%. All other AIDA64 test selections are fluctuating workloads which are suitable for stability testing, but not for thermal testing.

Shown below from left to right: Small FFTs, Blend, Linpack and IntelBurn Test. The steady thermal signature of Small FFTs allows accurate measurements of Core temperatures, which is key for thermal testing so the CPU, cooler, socket, motherboard and voltage regulator modules (VRM) can thermally stabilize.

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... The chip can go to 90c and still work fine so yes you can try for a overclock of more then 4.7Ghz on all cores and what not. 🤷‍♀️😲👶☮👩‍🦲

Although "Throttle" temperature(Tj Max) for the 9900K is 100°C, the consensus among well informed and highly experienced reviewers, system builders and expert overclockers, as well as Intel Engineers, is that it's prudent to observe a reasonable thermal margin below Throttle temperature for ultimate stability, performance and longevity. As such, here's the nominal operating range for Core temperature:

Core temperatures above 85°C are not recommended.

Core temperatures below 80°C are ideal.

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Core temperatures increase and decrease with ambient (room) temperature, for which the International Standard for "normal" is 22°C or 72°F.

If you'd like to get up to speed on this topic, then read our Intel CPU Temperature Guide 2020. It's a "Sticky" at the top of the CPUs Forum that's always available for everyone's benefit.

CT :sol:
 
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