Question Is it worth upgrading my AM4 Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 7 5800x or upgrade to AM5 Ryzen 5 7600x ?

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I wanted to ask that should i upgrade my am4 Ryzen 5 1600 to Ryzen 7 5800x, or to higher AM5 Ryzen 5 7600x. I am confused and is it worth it?

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worth it is relative to your use of the system.

a 5800x is more than ample for any gaming you want to do. sure the 7000 series is faster but that does not mean the last gen is all of a sudden worthless.

if you got money burning a hole in your pocket and want to go with AM5 and the expensive ddr5 ram + expensive motherboards, then go for it. if you want a nice quick and cheap upgrade, the 5800x or 5900x is a great cpu to go with.

i myself went with the 5900x rather than AM5. maybe a couple years from now when prices drop on the parts, i'll reconsider.
 
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worth it is relative to your use of the system.

a 5800x is more than ample for any gaming you want to do. sure the 7000 series is faster but that does not mean the last gen is all of a sudden worthless.

if you got money burning a hole in your pocket and want to go with AM5 and the expensive ddr5 ram + expensive motherboards, then go for it. if you want a nice quick and cheap upgrade, the 5800x or 5900x is a great cpu to go with.

i myself went with the 5900x rather than AM5. maybe a couple years from now when prices drop on the parts, i'll reconsider.
True the mobo is damn expensive hence maybe ill upgrade to 5800x coz it makes sense as you said and now i am clear.
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no problem.

i know the temptation to go newest latest greatest. believe me i do !! :)

but for now a 5800x will be a great upgrade from the 1600 you have now. i noticed the difference going from a 3600x to the 5900x. you'll def know you upgraded from a 1600

enjoy the upgrade.
 
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no problem.

i know the temptation to go newest latest greatest. believe me i do !! :)

but for now a 5800x will be a great upgrade from the 1600 you have now. i noticed the difference going from a 3600x to the 5900x. you'll def know you upgraded from a 1600

enjoy the upgrade.
Sorry to annoy you but wanted to ask should i wait for am5 and upgrade it as it gives more performance in games against R9 5700x.as i saw it on youtube benchmark tests.
 

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it is faster for sure. no doubt there. the difference is cost. what you want to look at is how does the 5800 compare.

(purely made up numbers to illustrate the point) for instance does the 5800x get 150 fps in a game you play with the gpu you have vs 175 fps with the 7700x? yes there is an extra 25 fps, but 150 is still pretty dang good and plenty good enough to enjoy the game. the 5800x is likely going to give you "plenty good enough" performance that makes the much more expensive 7700x and new platform not worth the cost. thats what makes it not worth it to me.

you can drop the 5800x onto your current mobo with a BIOS update. for AM5 you need a new mobo, ddr5 ram and then new CPU.

if you have the money to spare, then go for it. it'll run awesome. but if you want the cheap upgrade, then the 5800x is the way to go. save for a couple years and then jump into AM5 when the motherboards and ddr5 ram come way down in price. plus by then the platform will be more mature and tested.
 

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it is faster for sure. no doubt there. the difference is cost. what you want to look at is how does the 5800 compare.

(purely made up numbers to illustrate the point) for instance does the 5800x get 150 fps in a game you play with the gpu you have vs 175 fps with the 7700x? yes there is an extra 25 fps, but 150 is still pretty dang good and plenty good enough to enjoy the game. the 5800x is likely going to give you "plenty good enough" performance that makes the much more expensive 7700x and new platform not worth the cost. thats what makes it not worth it to me.

you can drop the 5800x onto your current mobo with a BIOS update. for AM5 you need a new mobo, ddr5 ram and then new CPU.

if you have the money to spare, then go for it. it'll run awesome. but if you want the cheap upgrade, then the 5800x is the way to go. save for a couple years and then jump into AM5 when the motherboards and ddr5 ram come way down in price. plus by then the platform will be more mature and tested.
Your Right as R7 5800x3d is still unbeatable by 7000 series in some proccess.
 

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Fps is a possibility, not a probability, other factors, like the gpu and monitor and game, can and do influence matters.

If you have a 1080p/60Hz monitor and are already getting a consistent 60fps or more in the games you play, at ultra settings, a better cpu will basically do nothing for you. If you play heavy cpu multi-player online games and consistently drop fps due to backlog on the cpu, then a better cpu will do a lot for you.

There's not very much difference realistically between a 5800x and 5700x, but cost and power usage can make a difference, 65w class cpu vs 105w class cpu, which affects cooling ability.
 
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Current Specs

CPU - RYZEN 5 1600 (old)
GPU - MSI VENTUS X2 RTX 3060Ti
MOBO - GIGABYTE GA A320M S2H
PSU - COOLER MASTER G750 M ( 2014-15)
SSD/HDD - CRUCIAL BX500 256GB (ssd)
WD GREEN 1TB (hdd)
WD BLUE 1TB (hdd)

RAM - XPG ADATA 8X2 3200MHZ DUAL CHANNEL (16GB)
CPU COOLER - COOLER MASTER MASTER LIQUID LITE 120
 

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Fps is a possibility, not a probability, other factors, like the gpu and monitor and game, can and do influence matters.

If you have a 1080p/60Hz monitor and are already getting a consistent 60fps or more in the games you play, at ultra settings, a better cpu will basically do nothing for you. If you play heavy cpu multi-player online games and consistently drop fps due to backlog on the cpu, then a better cpu will do a lot for you.

There's not very much difference realistically between a 5800x and 5700x, but cost and power usage can make a difference, 65w class cpu vs 105w class cpu, which affects cooling ability.
I am going to buy 144hz monitor as well.
 

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Understood
With a CM ML120L, you'd be better off with a 5700x vs the 5800x.

The 120mm aios top out at @ 140-150w, same as budget 120mm aircoolers, and the 105w class cpus generally will push the 142w socket limits. So what you'll find is you'll end up loosing performance when temps start going over @ 80° as the cores will slow their boost.
understood 🤔
 
My recommendation: Upgrade your motherboard BIOS, purchase and install the Ryzen 5 5600 ($137) and sell the Ryzen 5 1600 used on Ebay, Facebook marketplace, etc ($50-$60).

* Important: Please contact Gigabyte support to confirm that the Gigabyte GA A320M S2H supports the Ryzen 5 5600 (non-X). And once you do, then please follow the upgrade notes on Gigabyte's BIOS page to the letter. Also, be aware that the Gigabyte GA A320M S2H has three revision numbers.

Hello Ahannaan99 and happy holidays. If I were in your position, I would be pondering the seven options below

1. keep the Ryzen 5 1600

2. upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 ($137 USD on Amazon)

3 upgrade to the Ryzen 7 5700X ($197 USD on Amazon)

4. upgrade to Ryzen 7 5800X3D ($336 USD on Amazon)

5. upgrade to AM5 platform Ryzen 5 7600X ($240 USD on Amazon), and buy AM5 socket motherboard and DDR5 RAM ($$$)

6. upgrade to future AM5 platform Ryzen 5 7600 (non-X), which is anticipated to be announced at CES January 5th 2023, for less than the 'X' version.

7. upgrade to future AM5 platform Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which is anticipated at some point in the future.

Summary: Since you're already on the existing AM4 platform, and your running a mid-tier performance RTX 3060 Ti which wouldn't noticeably benefit from R7 5800X3D, my #1 upgrade recommendation would be to buy a Ryzen 5 5600 (non-X). My #2 upgrade would be to the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, but I would only consider it if upgrading to no less than a RTX 3080, and once the R7 5800X3D price has dropped below $300 (ideally < $250). As for the Ryzen 7 5800X that you were considering, consider putting that saved $100 toward my suggestion immediately below.

Might as well: One last thing... I noticed that you have a 256GB SSD and two 1TB HDD's. Since your motherboard has a single M.2 slot, I strongly encourage you to consider purchasing this 2TB SSD, and getting rid the two hard drives. That motherboard doesn't support PCIe 4 speeds, but it would still be a monstrous upgrade for your build. The listing that I pasted below is on NewEgg, because their price for that drive is noticeably cheaper than Amazon's. Solidigm is formely Intel's SSD division, and I've personally purchased several of these drives. They are excellent, especially for the price.

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Solidigm P41 Plus Series 2TB
$124.99
https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022
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AMD Ryzen 5 5600
$136.99
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600-ryzen-5-5000-series/p/N82E16819113736
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My recommendation: Upgrade your motherboard BIOS, purchase and install the Ryzen 5 5600 ($137) and sell the Ryzen 5 1600 used on Ebay, Facebook marketplace, etc ($50-$60).

* Important: Please contact Gigabyte support to confirm that the Gigabyte GA A320M S2H supports the Ryzen 5 5600 (non-X). And once you do, then please follow the upgrade notes on Gigabyte's BIOS page to the letter. Also, be aware that the Gigabyte GA A320M S2H has three revision numbers.

Hello Ahannaan99 and happy holidays. If I were in your position, I would be pondering the seven options below

1. keep the Ryzen 5 1600

2. upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 ($137 USD on Amazon)

3 upgrade to the Ryzen 7 5700X ($197 USD on Amazon)

4. upgrade to Ryzen 7 5800X3D ($336 USD on Amazon)

5. upgrade to AM5 platform Ryzen 5 7600X ($240 USD on Amazon), and buy AM5 socket motherboard and DDR5 RAM ($$$)

6. upgrade to future AM5 platform Ryzen 5 7600 (non-X), which is anticipated to be announced at CES January 5th 2023, for less than the 'X' version.

7. upgrade to future AM5 platform Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which is anticipated at some point in the future.

Summary: Since you're already on the existing AM4 platform, and your running a mid-tier performance RTX 3060 Ti which wouldn't noticeably benefit from R7 5800X3D, my #1 upgrade recommendation would be to buy a Ryzen 5 5600 (non-X). My #2 upgrade would be to the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, but I would only consider it if upgrading to no less than a RTX 3080, and once the R7 5800X3D price has dropped below $300 (ideally < $250). As for the Ryzen 7 5800X that you were considering, consider putting that saved $100 toward my suggestion immediately below.

Might as well: One last thing... I noticed that you have a 256GB SSD and two 1TB HDD's. Since your motherboard has a single M.2 slot, I strongly encourage you to consider purchasing this 2TB SSD, and getting rid the two hard drives. That motherboard doesn't support PCIe 4 speeds, but it would still be a monstrous upgrade for your build. The listing that I pasted below is on NewEgg, because their price for that drive is noticeably cheaper than Amazon's. Solidigm is formely Intel's SSD division, and I've personally purchased several of these drives. They are excellent, especially for the price.

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Solidigm P41 Plus Series 2TB
$124.99
https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022
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AMD Ryzen 5 5600
$136.99
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600-ryzen-5-5000-series/p/N82E16819113736
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thank you soo much for these clarifications just wanted to ask that r7 5800x 3d wont be good for RTX 3060ti as i didn’t understand when you said it (wont be noticeable benefit) with r75800x3d. Please can you explain me.
 

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My recommendation is to stick with your current platform. The 5000 series cpu's, 5600+ should give you a nice performance boost for the 3060 Ti. Especially in minimum fps where it counts.
 

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The A320 chipset motherboards are iffy about using 5000 series cpus. AMD Official policy is that All AM4 cpus will work, but that stops there. AMD is not responsible for what the Aftermarket Partners do. So whether a 5000 series cpu will actually work on a particular A320 mobo is entirely dependent upon the bios provided by the Vendor. A 5600 may work, or might not work, that is something to be verified by contacting Gigabyte about that particular motherboard.

The problem itself stems from the bios chips used. The A series was bottom of the line basic, even some early B series also suffered, because the bios chip used was too small in size to accept the massive amounts of info and update instructions to accommodate Zen, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3 use. Newer bios chips doubled the size of the chip, so are big enough, but early A+B series were stuck trying to put 10lbs of stuff in a 5lb bag.

Don't buy the 5000 series cpu until you can verify it will work, or you have a 50/50 chance with even the latest bios, of having a bunk cpu.
 
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