Is the absence of 4-Pin ATX causing crashes?

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
demetrius202

demetrius202

Distinguished
Jan 15, 2011
136
0
18,690
I've built a system which works well until I play video games. When I do, the power supply often roars (fan turning on) and I get bsod crashes. The problem is either a faulty psu or my gpu, and my psu didn't come with a 4-pin so I never connected this part--my mobo has the 24-pin, 8-pin, and the 4-pin. The others I have and are connected. See my components below.

mobo: Maximus V Extreme
CPU: intel i7 2600K at stock
GPU: GTX 690 (power hungry)
PSU: Corsair 1050W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139034&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-)

Is not having a 4-pin connection stressing my psu while gaming under ultra conditions, thereby causing system crashes? I've posted my dmp file whocrashed results in another thread.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1907728/bsod-gaming-review-dmp-file.html#xtor=EPR-8809
 
Solution
ingtar33


~i'm not going to get into an argument about drivers. especially since i work on and off as a tech and saw the damage...
Sort by date Sort by votes
mmm... the 4 pin is an auxilery for insane overclocking.... since you're at stock it isn't the issue. The issue likely is the gpu, ram or psu. My money is on the gpu. While SLi is better than xfire, it isn't perfect and remains both buggy and issue plagued, particularly on dx9 games. that 690 is a multi-chip gpu which means it is, at it's heart an SLi settup. Blue screens typically are caused by driver crashes, and ram issues... typically. i've also seen iffy psus cause blue screens though usually a psu issue causes hard freezes and black screen restarts (if not straight up turning off your system).

Since i'm not there to see the blue screen messages i can't be sure what the root of the issue is. I just know nvidia graphics drivers have been a mess since 314.22... so a rollback to an earlier driver might fix it. we can also check out what's actually spinning up... i'd be really surprised if the psu is actually reving up, it's been a long time since i could HEAR a psu over a gpu... so it might be the gpu fan you're hearing.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
i very much doubt since i see you are not overclocking - the typical power connction is the 8 pin with the extra 4 pin for OCing the cpu an even then its more for high overclocking.

given that a non OC'd i7 rig will draw 100 watts, lets say 110 and the 690 will use ~300; your'e not even hitting half that PSUs load. the whocrashed dump file points to a heat issue, what are your temps?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote


My temps when not running games were fine, and the main game I'm playing has been Skyrim which is off steam, for some reason it was hard to run in windows mode (my freaking mouse would disappear) so it was hard to actually see my temps while gaming. Instead, I've uninstalled all nvidia's graphics drivers and removed it and so far no bsods but sometimes while playing steam the computer freezes and I have to restart--I figured this was just steam not agreeing with windows since now I dont hear a loud sound from the computer anymore.

So the take home message: before rma'ing my gpu, should I try rolling back a driver and see if this works? I'm not sure how to do this or how to figure out what earlier driver to use, but I'd like to do this before sending the gpu back. Also, you may be right, maybe it was the gpu growling and not the psu. Sometimes its hard to tell, even with the computer door open and with my ear in the vicinity of both. I know it's not my ram because i've run multiple tests including memtest 86 and ram is always good
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
i just checked out your other thread, i'm completely convinced the issue is GPU related. remove all nvidia software and install an older (pre 314 whql) nvidia driver; do NOT install nvidia experience, i've seen too many horror stories to count creditted to that crappy software. See if that fixes your issue. if it does not we'll have to examine ways to play with your case airflow and see about cooling down that gpu. It might be heat not driver releated. i just want to eliminate all possibilities before we call the card busted.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
as to removing the nvidia stuff... go into control pannel -> programs and features, uninstall everything with nvidia in it, then go to control pannel -> system -> devices tab, and uninstall all the display drivers, restart the computer. install your older nvidia drivers. restart the computer.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote


that isn't exactly correct. a bunch of FUD circulated about the gpu killing 320.18 w/o anything proved but a few cards died; which were OC'd fermi btw . . . its completely wrong to make a sweeping generalization that the problem is temp related.

temps have NOT been a problem since . . . go check the threads in guru3D. one for each WHQL and beta release . .
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Now my system freezes to the point I have to reboot, this with the nvidia drivers for the gpu uninstalled and using the mobo graphics. I didnt uninstall ALL nvidia drivers though (NVIDIA 3D vision controller driver 314.07, NVIDIA HD audio driver 1.3.26.4, NVIDIA PhysX System Software 9.12.1031 still on computer now, could this be causing freezing while gaming?) I'm now gonna uninstall all 3 of these, put my gpu back in, find pre 314 drivers to install, then see per the above recommendations
 
Upvote 0 Downvote


~i'm not going to get into an argument about drivers. especially since i work on and off as a tech and saw the damage first hand caused by nvidia's whql since 314.22. I know what i've seen, and i know what's been going on... no point trying to convince you of something you've already decided never happened or doesn't still happen. (just had my first 780ti come in nuked. still not sure if it's a QC issue or driver on that. need to see more to know if it's just a fluke or not)

I just know that since 314.22 nvidia cards have been failing at a much higher rate then radeon cards... which is a reversal of what i used to see... so something is going on.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Solution


i make up my mind with facts, if you have some, i am more than open to see them. when 99% of people report having no such problem(s) then chances are the 1% is having another issue. since 314.22 there have been scads of performance issues in a few games, BF3 most predominantly, but no thermal issues.

have at it:
NVIDIA Drivers Section
GeForce > Community > Forums > Support > GeForce Drivers

btw, the voltage is locked down on the 780TI more so than any other card:
[Official] NVIDIA GTX 780 Ti Owner's Club

you can ask the OCers who mod the bioses on them . .
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Update: I've switched out my gtx 690 for a 560 Ti and, only when gaming, my psu fan roars and...BSOD. I really think its a faulty psu now and not the 690 causing the crashes. Is there anything I'm missing?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote


if you tried rolling back the drivers and no result then yeah... you're probably right, it's the psu.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote


Update: I just wanted ppl to know the solution instead of just gorging myself on rpg gaming with no bsod's and ignoring forums, lol. I did buy a new psu which I like better than my corsair (bought an OCX 100W psu, love how quiet it is) but after about 15 mins of gaming I got a BSOD, this time without my psu roaring loudly. As suggested above, I uninstalled ALL nvidia drivers, went to the website, and installed old drivers (310.90) and I've been gaming for about 7 hrs with no BSOD's. Freaking beautiful. If a more current rpg comes out I may be forced to update my drivers (waiting for DA3 and ESO) but for now my rig is STABLE. Woohooo. Thanks Ingtar!
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom