Is this a good 425 dollar PC?

[0computernoob0]

Hi! I want a 425 dollar budget pc. Is this PC good for the price or not. I just want to play CSGO med-high 1080p and maybe CoD BO3 Med 720p. If this build is not good for 450 dollars please show me a another 450 dollar pc. Thanks

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/davin_FTD/saved/TwPwrH
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/davin_FTD/saved/TwPwrH
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/davin_FTD/saved/TwPwrH

 

[SBMfromLA]

You left out the most important component... the GPU.

 

[reedo_43]

Perhaps he thought he could do it with the apu alone. Perhaps he could at 720p?

 

[0computernoob0]

You left out the most important component... the GPU.

The CPU is a APU isn't it?

 

[reedo_43]

Yes it is.

http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri

 

[photonboy]

*Your MAIN problem is system memory:

1) The APU (GPU portion) requires fairly fast system memory or you'll lose performance.

2) Not only is "1600MHz" losing some performance but also having a single stick means you only have HALF of that again. You actually would have 800MHz (1600MHz means you have TWO sticks in dual-channel).

So if you needed say 2133MHz CAS9 memory to get close to maximum GPU usage, you're actually at 800MHz. It's hard to estimate but you might only be getting HALF the frame rate in some games.

3) NOT ENOUGH MEMORY!
Since it's shared you probably want about 2GB of memory for light/medium gaming. That only leaves 2GB for Windows plus the game to use. It's not enough.

What to do?

I strongly recommend rethinking the entire setup. Perhaps a G3258 + dedicated GPU.

*Again, the pricing isn't comparable exactly because you need MORE and FASTER system memory if using an APU than you do with a dedicated GPU.

(I'll see what I can come up with, and don't forget you'll need a copy of Windows)

 

[0computernoob0]

*Your MAIN problem is system memory:

1) The APU (GPU portion) requires fairly fast system memory or you'll lose performance.

2) Not only is "1600MHz" losing some performance but also having a single stick means you only have HALF of that again. You actually would have 800MHz (1600MHz means you have TWO sticks in dual-channel).

So if you needed say 2133MHz CAS9 memory to get close to maximum GPU usage, you're actually at 800MHz. It's hard to estimate but you might only be getting HALF the frame rate in some games.

3) NOT ENOUGH MEMORY!
Since it's shared you probably want about 2GB of memory for light/medium gaming. That only leaves 2GB for Windows plus the game to use. It's not enough.

What to do?

I strongly recommend rethinking the entire setup. Perhaps a G3258 + dedicated GPU.

*Again, the pricing isn't comparable exactly because you need MORE and FASTER system memory if using an APU than you do with a dedicated GPU.

(I'll see what I can come up with, and don't forget you'll need a copy of Windows)

I only put 4gb because it is easily upgrade-able. Also what Graphics card? And yeah I need to find a copy of windows or maybe Linux. Thanks

 

[photonboy]

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/jjknZL

That's as CLOSE as I can get ($445 after rebate). It only has a 1GB video card, but it would still be a lot better performing than what you did have. Don't expect it to run every game.

*I simply couldn't go any cheaper on certain components, especially the POWER SUPPLY.

I also removed the DVD burner as there are ways around that (i.e. burning Windows to USB stick). Again, you have such a tight budget it's hard to do anything with it.

Other:
a) CPU is overclockable. Even on that motherboard you can probably get at least 4.2GHz.
b) 1x4GB can handle most games. Again, no shared VIDEO memory with a dedicated card. It's only operating at 800MHz but testing shows it won't make a big difference for most games with that CPU.

You should get an identical 4GB stick later (same model).

c) Better GPU recommended:
GTX750Ti 2GB or better (at least 2GB recommended).

*For your budget, I suggest investigating USED CARDS. Ideally one you can see working. Here's a rough performance guide:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_950_SSC/30.html

For example, the GTX950 at 1080p is rated at 100% and a default AMD 370 is rated at 80% of that. So the GTX950 on average is about 25% faster. The APU you got might not be on the chart at all (definitely not with a single, "1600MHz" stick).

 

[photonboy]

http://www.eteknix.com/memory-scaling-amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-apu/

In Sniper Elite 2 for example, you lost performance with anything less than 2400MHz (ignore CAS rating for now). Again, your initial build used a single "1600MHz" stick which means it's really 800MHz.

So as you can see, aside from the limited amount of memory for Windows, the game (system), and game (shared VRAM) there's a massive loss of performance with slower memory (I don't know what it is for 800MHz, but if 2400MHz can manage 40% faster than 1600MHz then the bottleneck must be pretty severe at 800MHz.)

 

[0computernoob0]

http://www.eteknix.com/memory-scaling-amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-apu/

In Sniper Elite 2 for example, you lost performance with anything less than 2400MHz (ignore CAS rating for now). Again, your initial build used a single "1600MHz" stick which means it's really 800MHz.

So as you can see, aside from the limited amount of memory for Windows, the game (system), and game (shared VRAM) there's a massive loss of performance with slower memory (I don't know what it is for 800MHz, but if 2400MHz can manage 40% faster than 1600MHz then the bottleneck must be pretty severe at 800MHz.)

Yeah I think getting a used card would be great.