Is this a good deal?

[linguos]

Someone locally is selling this pc for $1000:

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Is this a decent deal? Also considering that it's approaching Black Friday?

Lastly, any advice on checking that the pc is in working order aside from a stress test?

Thanks!

 

[vapour]

What is your max budget?
Major usage is gaming? AAA titles?
what monitor do you have?
1700 can not be heavily oced on B350 MB... Bad pair...

 

[linguos]

I dont have a monitor or peripherals. I was hoping to keep it all (monitor and peripherals) within $1500 but I'm willing to go over if necessary.

I was previously intending to order an NZXT build soon but found this in a local Facebook garage sell listing. It's overclocked to 3.8. I personally have no need to overclock.

It will be used for gaming and music recording.

 

[vapour]

With 1500, I will build my own:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($165.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($194.62 @ B&H)
Total: $1392.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-20 11:27 EDT-0400

Headset or speaker? I will spend the remaining 100 for headset/speaker a mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse, need wifi?

 

[vMax]

That not a bad deal at all, especially with a 1080, and 1700 with 16GB RAM and you get a decent power supply, Windows installed, SSD a fairly good WIFI adaptor and HD...And the RAM alone at DDR4 3200 G-Skill is just great.

Will more than do the job for your gaming and music recording...Try and negotiate with cash and see if you can drop it a little but it is a great deal for $1000.

 

[linguos]

Would it still be recommended to build my own? Like is that ryzen 5 2600 much better from vapour's post?

 

[logainofhades]

What is your max budget?
Major usage is gaming? AAA titles?
what monitor do you have?
1700 can not be heavily oced on B350 MB... Bad pair...

Cannot be heavily overclocked on a B350? Blanket statements like that are false. Not to mention most 1st gen Ryzen tops out around 4.1ghz anyway. Some fail to even get that far, very few make it higher. The 1700 is also a 65w part.


Hard to recommend a new build, with new GPU's on the horizon.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($165.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($91.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW DT GAMING Video Card ($439.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.10 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Lenovo - L24q 23.8" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1405.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-20 16:53 EDT-0400

 

[vMax]

Would it still be recommended to build my own? Like is that ryzen 5 2600 much better from vapour's post?

You are saving a fair bit of Money from a new build at least $300 to $500 and the deal that you are getting will, I repeat, will provide an excellent gaming and productivity platform for your sound editing. The 2600 is a 6 core 12 thread CPU and the 1700 is a 8 core 16 thread CPU and on the editing side will be a bit better.

I cannot really see spending more unless you really think you are going to be pushing the envelope as the 1700 will do a great job stock for both gaming and productivity and of course you can upgrade at a later date. And yes you can overclock to at least 3.9GHz all core. The 2700 will be better, but not that much better and they to are limited in terms of overclocking maxing out at 4.1GHz ish all core, yes they can go to 4.2/3 on single and dual core but that's it.

Bottom line, if money is not an issue, yep go for a new build, if it is an issue and you would like to keep to a budget, then a $1000 for the system you are being offered is actually a very good deal with good CPU, RAM, GPU and Power Supply, and will more than handle your use case.

 

[vapour]

Cannot be heavily overclocked on a B350? Blanket statements like that are false. Not to mention most 1st gen Ryzen tops out around 4.1ghz anyway. Some fail to even get that far, very few make it higher. The 1700 is also a 65w part.

not 1700 on those low end VRM B350. https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1626601-post-your-ryzen-vrm-temperatures.html

VRM will be extremely hot due to large current for those 8 cores/16 threads. TDP is similar but extra 2 cores and 4 threads will bring more power consumption.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-7-1700-b350-overclocking-tidbits.1926296/
failed at 3.9

Also by heavily, I mean 4.0. MSI Carbon B350 has best VRM among B350s and will be fine while most MSI MBs not that great.

 

[Philballer17]

Cannot be heavily overclocked on a B350? Blanket statements like that are false. Not to mention most 1st gen Ryzen tops out around 4.1ghz anyway. Some fail to even get that far, very few make it higher. The 1700 is also a 65w part.

not 1700 on those low end VRM B350. https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1626601-post-your-ryzen-vrm-temperatures.html

VRM will be extremely hot due to large current for those 8 cores/16 threads. TDP is similar but extra 2 cores and 4 threads will bring more power consumption.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-7-1700-b350-overclocking-tidbits.1926296/
failed at 3.9

Also by heavily, I mean 4.0. MSI Carbon B350 has best VRM among B350s and will be fine while most MSI MBs not that great.

He's right, its better to just build your own system. Pre-builds are never worth it. It kind of like someone going out and buying clothes for you instead of you picking your own clothes out. Be a man, and build that system on your own.

 

[linguos]

Very appreciative of the feedback and effort put into builds.

Not to beat a dead horse here but being as I'm not so knowledgeable is there anything in this used build that suboptimal. I suspect the mobo? If so could you explain its downside? That build again is:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor ($218.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($188.84 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - Ultra II 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - Archer T9E PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($69.98 @ Walmart)
Total: $1702.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-20 22:46 EDT-0400

Thanks again

 

[linguos]

To phil, far as using NZXT it's due to MSRP prices on GPU and ram. For me money is a concern.

 

[vMax]

Very appreciative of the feedback and effort put into builds.

Not to beat a dead horse here but being as I'm not so knowledgeable is there anything in this used build that suboptimal. I suspect the mobo? If so could you explain its downside? That build again is:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor ($218.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($188.84 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - Ultra II 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - Archer T9E PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($69.98 @ Walmart)
Total: $1702.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-20 22:46 EDT-0400

Thanks again

The motherboard is not the greatest, just average and if you are really not going to overclock, absolutely no issues. Even Bit-Tech managed to get 4GHz out of this board and gave it a passable recommended. If you are a enthusiast who is going to push the CPU to the limit, then I would get something better. The GPU is going to have a much bigger impact on Gaming than the CPU in this setup, and the 1080 is simply fantastic and you cant go wrong with EVGA.

https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/msi-b350-tomahawk-review/1/

Of course there are better options but you will have to pay for them...But c'mon $1700 for the above and you are getting it all of the above for $1000 !!!!! now that's great.

 

[logainofhades]

Also by heavily, I mean 4.0. MSI Carbon B350 has best VRM among B350s and will be fine while most MSI MBs not that great.

Matching the XFR speed, of an 1800x, is not something I would consider a heavy overclock. 3.9-4.1 is common among 1st gen Ryzen. The silicon lottery matters. Ryzen has many strengths, but overclocking really isn't one of them.

 

[vMax]

Cannot be heavily overclocked on a B350? Blanket statements like that are false. Not to mention most 1st gen Ryzen tops out around 4.1ghz anyway. Some fail to even get that far, very few make it higher. The 1700 is also a 65w part.

not 1700 on those low end VRM B350. https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1626601-post-your-ryzen-vrm-temperatures.html

VRM will be extremely hot due to large current for those 8 cores/16 threads. TDP is similar but extra 2 cores and 4 threads will bring more power consumption.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-7-1700-b350-overclocking-tidbits.1926296/
failed at 3.9

Also by heavily, I mean 4.0. MSI Carbon B350 has best VRM among B350s and will be fine while most MSI MBs not that great.

He's right, its better to just build your own system. Pre-builds are never worth it. It kind of like someone going out and buying clothes for you instead of you picking your own clothes out. Be a man, and build that system on your own.

Or you could be a man and save $500 to $700 and still have a great gaming/productivity system! Just playing devils advocate...

 

[linguos]

Thanks for all the feedback!

 

[punkncat]

I would offer $850 cash. I tell ya why.

You have no idea what this local guy has put this machine through. It has no warranty.

With a bit of watchful spending you could build a machine nearly identical, new, for around a grand. A couple of things to be watchful for. You could spend MUCH less on a case, much less on a PSU, much less on a mobo for a 'similar' experience. I wouldn't pay for a water cooler on that chipset, air should suffice.