Is this a good gaming Pc?

[KobeL]

I build a PC online but I wanna ask if it is a good build to play next gem games on high setting without any frame lag. Please give your opinion.

Os: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K FC-LGA4 "haswel"
Motherboard; MSI Z87-G55 RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX 1
Harddisk (SATA): Western Digital Black, 500 GB SATA 600, WD5003AZEX
Ram: Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1600 kit CML8GX3M2A1600C9, Vengaence LP
Graphics card (NVIDIA PCIe): MSI N750Ti TF 2GD5/OC VGA, DVI, HDMI
Power supply: Antec EA-550 Platinum 2x PCIe

 

[djcm9819]

It is good but your cpu is a little overkill for your cpu:/

Maybe if you give us your budget we can build a better system?

 

[enemy1g]

Grab an i5-4690, H97 board, and put the rest of your money towards a better GPU.

 

[redgarl]

You need at least a GTX770 or a 280x. You will not regret it.

 

[theonerm2]

It's a good PC for playing games on medium to high settings at resolutions of 1080p and lower. You could have done better by getting an FX 6300 and an R9 280 though. For gaming you should almost always favor the Graphics card over the CPU within reason.

 

[KobeL]

my budget is 900 euros

 

[theonerm2]

This should serve as a good example on what to buy.

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (€89.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (€66.86 @ Pixmania DE)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€61.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (€74.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card (€204.25 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case (€39.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€69.90 @ Caseking)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer (€12.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (€90.47 @ Hardwareversand)
Total: €711.06

I'm not sure where you live so the prices may vary.

 

[enemy1g]

Going from an i5 to a 6300 is worse than going from an i5 to a Pentium.

Stick with the i5. People will mislead you and tell you that you don't need a strong CPU, and to get an overly powerful GPU with a rather weak(er) CPU. This holds true if you're only playing singleplayer games. But the second you step into multiplayer, your peformance is gong to drop. The 6300 is bottlenecking more and more as newere games are released, and you're going to see plenty more "Is my 6300 a bottleneck?" threads on this forum.

If you get a strong CPU, and a weaker GPU, you can still play games with little bottleneck, and upgrade in the future and as you see fit.

If you get a weak CPU, the usual train of thought for people on this forum is to replace their GPU if they're not getting the performance they're looking for. While not releasig it's the CPU holding the GPU back.

 

[djcm9819]

Going from an i5 to a 6300 is worse than going from an i5 to a Pentium.

Stick with the i5. People will mislead you and tell you that you don't need a strong CPU, and to get an overly powerful GPU with a rather weak(er) CPU. This holds true if you're only playing singleplayer games. But the second you step into multiplayer, your peformance is gong to drop. The 6300 is bottlenecking more and more as newere games are released, and you're going to see plenty more "Is my 6300 a bottleneck?" threads on this forum.

If you get a strong CPU, and a weaker GPU, you can still play games with little bottleneck, and upgrade in the future and as you see fit.

If you get a weak CPU, the usual train of thought for people on this forum is to replace their GPU if they're not getting the performance they're looking for. While not releasig it's the CPU holding the GPU back.

That is not really true. I have my fx 4350 @4.8 and a r9 290 windforce running any game(multiplayer or single player) with zero bottlenecks. I would get a good cpu(fx 4350 or 63xx, i3) and a better cpu rather then a i5 and a 750ti. If you get the i5 and the 750ti you will notice no difference if you swap the i5 with an i3 but if you get a slightly worse cpu and a better gpu yo will notice a big difference.

 

[enemy1g]

I'm going to have to call shenanigans seeing as how there are countless threads on this very forum depicting bottlenecking with a 6300 and a GPU as low as the 770. And it highly depends on what games you're playing. If you're talking about playing Runescape multiplayer, sure. No problem there. But seeing as plenty of people have problems with the 6300 (OC'd and non OC'd) with GPUs at the 770 mark or above, I have a hard time believing that.

I'd love to be proved wrong though. And a list of games you're playing.

 

[theonerm2]

I'm going to have to call shenanigans seeing as how there are countless threads on this very forum depicting bottlenecking with a 6300 and a GPU as low as the 770. And it highly depends on what games you're playing. If you're talking about playing Runescape multiplayer, sure. No problem there. But seeing as plenty of people have problems with the 6300 (OC'd and non OC'd) with GPUs at the 770 mark or above, I have a hard time believing that.

I'd love to be proved wrong though. And a list of games you're playing.

6300 and 760 vs 4670K and 750 ti. A better graphics card can make a huge difference even with a weaker CPU as far as most games go. There are a few CPU intensive games where the Intel processor wins even with a weaker GPU but usually both configurations will give perfectly playable experiences even though the Intel processor is way ahead as far as FPS goes.

 

[enemy1g]

And if you read my post, and OP takes my advice, he'd have more than enough money to go with an i5, H97 board, and a 760.

There's actually not just a few games that take advantage of Intel's stronger single cores. All MMOs, and the majority (if not all) of the MOBAs out currently vastly favor Intel. It's not just a few FPS difference, either. Getting a 6300 now is completely just gimping any PC. Especially when the new Pentium G3258 (I think that's the model #), or even the i3-4360 have shown to compete with new i5s. The difference in FPS varies, obviously, but they still pack quite a punch.

AMD CPUs are showing their age, and there aren't any more AMD CPUs aimed at the enthusiast crowd, nothing announced or even rumored. If you stick to games that utilize Mantle, and have an AMD CPU/APU along with an AMD GPU, then yeah, you should be fine. But in the case you don't want to play just one game (soon to be 4? 5?) then the smarter choice is to even go with the Pentium or i3. But that's not the case, the OP clearly has the money to go a little further down the Intel CPU line, and still get a good GPU. AMD brings nothing to the enthusiast community, and they have indirectly acknowledged that by pulling out of the high-end CPU market. Why would you invest in old CPUs when Intel's pushing out dual cores that perform roughly equal or better to an AMD CPU? And if you browse this forum, actually browse it, you'll notice that plenty of people are content with their AMDs, that's fine. But you'll also notice a lot of unsatisfaction, and also notice people that switched from AMD to Intel were much more pleased with the performance they were getting.

 

[djcm9819]

I'm going to have to call shenanigans seeing as how there are countless threads on this very forum depicting bottlenecking with a 6300 and a GPU as low as the 770. And it highly depends on what games you're playing. If you're talking about playing Runescape multiplayer, sure. No problem there. But seeing as plenty of people have problems with the 6300 (OC'd and non OC'd) with GPUs at the 770 mark or above, I have a hard time believing that.

I'd love to be proved wrong though. And a list of games you're playing.

I play arma 3 bf4, planetside2, all in ultra. I am 100% sure that a 6300 WONT bottleneck even slightly a gtx 770. As I have already said the i5 is better than the fx 6300/4350 but the gains are not worth the cost and you would be better off just buying an fx 6300/4350 and getting a better gpu.

Source: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1117

As you can see the real world gains in buying a i5 over the fx 4350 is under 1 fps.

 

[enemy1g]

And like I said, I've love to see some proof.

 

[djcm9819]

And like I said, I've love to see some proof.

I put a link that compares the real world fps gains between the i5 4670k and the fx 4350 using a even better gpu thn a 750ti and the 760(soo the fx 4350 should bottleneck right???) and the difference at 1080p in ultra is under 2 fps.

 

[enemy1g]

You also updated your post after I posted. The 7970 is more or less comparable to a GTX 760, which should have no problem with a lower end CPU. There's no bottlenecking with a GTX 760. My argument was in the fact that the 6300 cannot handle anything equal or HIGHER (this is a key word, in case you missed it the first time) than a 770. 760 =/= 770. Furthermore I also mentioned multiplayer games.

"This holds true if you're only playing singleplayer games. But the second you step into multiplayer, your peformance is gong to drop."

In case you missed it, but maybe I should've been more specific. Oh wait,

"There's actually not just a few games that take advantage of Intel's stronger single cores. All MMOs, and the majority (if not all) of the MOBAs out currently vastly favor Intel. It's not just a few FPS difference, either. Getting a 6300 now is completely just gimping any PC."

^ And SC2 is at 768p.

But lets put the benchmarks aside. Since there are so very few comparing the rather low end AMD CPUs and the Intel i5.

Since you've said you have no problem running games, and I honestly don't doubt that you're running BF4 fine, as you probably can take advantage of BF4's Mantle, in that BF4's Mantle heavily helps the lower end AMD CPUs. But to just prove me wrong, take a video, can even be with your phone so that you don't lose performance recording. Show me your system specs, and show me how your PC can run at 1080p Ultra (I'm going to assume you use maxed AA, else the 280x/280/770 can even play on Ultra) and show me that you're getting good frames throughout.

 

[djcm9819]

You also updated your post after I posted. The 7970 is more or less comparable to a GTX 760, which should have no problem with a lower end CPU. There's no bottlenecking with a GTX 760. My argument was in the fact that the 6300 cannot handle anything equal or HIGHER (this is a key word, in case you missed it the first time) than a 770. 760 =/= 770. Furthermore I also mentioned multiplayer games.

"This holds true if you're only playing singleplayer games. But the second you step into multiplayer, your peformance is gong to drop."

In case you missed it, but maybe I should've been more specific. Oh wait,

"There's actually not just a few games that take advantage of Intel's stronger single cores. All MMOs, and the majority (if not all) of the MOBAs out currently vastly favor Intel. It's not just a few FPS difference, either. Getting a 6300 now is completely just gimping any PC."

^ And SC2 is at 768p.

But lets put the benchmarks aside. Since there are so very few comparing the rather low end AMD CPUs and the Intel i5.

Since you've said you have no problem running games, and I honestly don't doubt that you're running BF4 fine, as you probably can take advantage of BF4's Mantle, in that BF4's Mantle heavily helps the lower end AMD CPUs. But to just prove me wrong, take a video, can even be with your phone so that you don't lose performance recording. Show me your system specs, and show me how your PC can run at 1080p Ultra (I'm going to assume you use maxed AA, else the 280x/280/770 can even play on Ultra) and show me that you're getting good frames throughout.

Fair enough, I will take a video of my gpu/cpu usage on ultra. The reason many benchmarks show cpu's performing very differently is because they use lower resolutions and lower setting to show the difference between cpu's. At higher resolutions/setting the difference is much smaller and sometimes there is even no difference at all because most games these days use the gpu more then the cpu(there still are a few exceptions).

I will play with max settings (including aa).

My system specs(will be shown in the video as well)

Cpu: fx 4350 @ 4.8-4.4 (depending on how hot the day is)

Gpu: r9 290 windforce(stock speed)

Motherboard: gigabyte 970A-usd3

Ram: 8 gigs 1600

Cpu cooler: stock cooler

Psu: nex 650 g

 

[theonerm2]

My Bulldozer FX 8120 CPU at 4.2GHz gets about around the mid 90's to low 100's in WOW no matter what settings I use. That's lower than the intel cpus but it's high enough to give a good gameplay experience anyway. I've never been a huge fan of MMOs but I wanted to try it out and see what kind of FPS I could get. All I did was run around the place because I don't know how to do anything else in the game.

 

[djcm9819]

You also updated your post after I posted. The 7970 is more or less comparable to a GTX 760, which should have no problem with a lower end CPU. There's no bottlenecking with a GTX 760. My argument was in the fact that the 6300 cannot handle anything equal or HIGHER (this is a key word, in case you missed it the first time) than a 770. 760 =/= 770. Furthermore I also mentioned multiplayer games.

"This holds true if you're only playing singleplayer games. But the second you step into multiplayer, your peformance is gong to drop."

In case you missed it, but maybe I should've been more specific. Oh wait,

"There's actually not just a few games that take advantage of Intel's stronger single cores. All MMOs, and the majority (if not all) of the MOBAs out currently vastly favor Intel. It's not just a few FPS difference, either. Getting a 6300 now is completely just gimping any PC."

^ And SC2 is at 768p.

But lets put the benchmarks aside. Since there are so very few comparing the rather low end AMD CPUs and the Intel i5.

Since you've said you have no problem running games, and I honestly don't doubt that you're running BF4 fine, as you probably can take advantage of BF4's Mantle, in that BF4's Mantle heavily helps the lower end AMD CPUs. But to just prove me wrong, take a video, can even be with your phone so that you don't lose performance recording. Show me your system specs, and show me how your PC can run at 1080p Ultra (I'm going to assume you use maxed AA, else the 280x/280/770 can even play on Ultra) and show me that you're getting good frames throughout.

Here some proof

All settings at max
https://m.imgur.com/account/Djcm9819/images

 

[theonerm2]

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