[SOLVED] Is this a good psu? Segotep 80 Plus Titanium GP600T 500 watt Power Supply

[poorbugger]

Here's a link to a page that's selling in my country. I cant find any reviews on it but a guy on a forum is like recommending this left and right. https://www.lazada.com.my/products/...o4k.searchlist.list.1.3d10566cAS9Rot&search=1

 

[Aeacus]

I cant find any reviews

1st red flag.

a guy on a forum is like recommending this left and right

2nd red flag.

Is this a good psu? Segotep 80 Plus Titanium GP600T 500 watt Power Supply

All Segotep PSUs are bad choices and i wouldn't touch one even with a 10 foot pole. Though, they are decent door stops or paper weights.

For proper PSU, you can go for Super Flower Leadex III 650W unit,
your store: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/...dex-iii-gold-650w-i601672091-s1226614983.html
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/super-flower-leadex-iii-650-w/

 

[poorbugger]

1st red flag.



2nd red flag.



All Segotep PSUs are bad choices and i wouldn't touch one even with a 10 foot pole. Though, they are decent door stops or paper weights.

For proper PSU, you can go for Super Flower Leadex III 650W unit,
your store: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/...dex-iii-gold-650w-i601672091-s1226614983.html
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/super-flower-leadex-iii-650-w/

Thanks for the reply. This is what he said " buy something like the Segotep GP600P/T, or the Super Flower Leadex III Bronze Pro instead, those are modern PSUs with a LLC + DC-DC design "
"The Segotep is essentially an Enermax Platimax D.F. with Taiwanese rather than Japanese caps "
He also pointed out that it's in the psu B tier list according to this list.

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[Burnsy69]

I wouldn't risk it, especially with a Chinese looking PSU like that - You could get a Corsair PSU for a little more and not have to worry about warranty etc

Something like this I'd chose over that PSU anyday of the week-
Corsair CX Series CX650M 650w 80+ Bronze Modular Power Supply CP-9020103-UK (5Yrs Warranty) | Lazada

Even this would be better also-
Cooler Master MWE 650 Gold PSU, 80 Plus Gold, 90% Efficiency, DC-to-DC + LLC, Dual EPS Connectors, Fully Modular Flat Cables, 120mm HDB Fan | Lazada

 

[Aeacus]

LTT PSU Tier list is wrong on many ways and i'm not going to open that can of worms and discuss what's wrong with it. But that much i can say that whoever created that PSU Tier list - has biased views (downplaying good PSUs while preaching questionable PSUs).

TH also has it's own PSU guide but it isn't as a ranked list. Instead, it is like a buyer beware (and Segotep is also listed in there, at the bottom, alongside the rest of the junk),
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...pply-discussion-thread-toms-hardware.3212332/

There are some OEMs, with whom you can't go wrong. These few include Super Flower, Seasonic and Flextronics. Since your store doesn't offer Seasonic and Flextronics PSUs cost a fortune (Corsair AXi series), Super Flower is solid choice, without emptying your wallet.

The Leadex III Gold i suggested, is on-par with Seasonic Focus series and Corsair RMx series (this is also stated in the review i linked). It is a good quality PSU and i'd buy it. 650W is more than enough for any single GPU build and 80+ Gold efficiency helps with electricity bill.

Btw, all three of my PCs are powered by Seasonic (full specs with pics in my sig), while in my AMD build, i have Seasonic Focus PSU in use (PX-550 to be exact).

 

[g-unit1111]

Here's a link to a page that's selling in my country. I cant find any reviews on it but a guy on a forum is like recommending this left and right. https://www.lazada.com.my/products/...o4k.searchlist.list.1.3d10566cAS9Rot&search=1

I agree that the first red flag would be the lack of reviews. But my troll sense is telling me that the guy who is recommending that PSU left and right is most likely a paid shill. And also a rule of thumb that I have for PSUs is that if you've never heard of the brand, there's most likely a reason why you have never heard of it, and it's probably bad. So yeah, avoid like the plague.

 

[Aeacus]

I agree that the first red flag would be the lack of reviews.

Who's master in Google-Fu, can dig up reviews of that Segotep unit. 😎 But since neither of the reviews are in English, there's almost no point to link them. Still, here they are, just to show something is out there,
link 1: https://lab501.ro/carcase-surse/review-segotep-gp600t-500w
link 2: http://www.pcpop.com/article/1670797_all.shtml

 

[g-unit1111]

Who's master in Google-Fu, can dig up reviews of that Segotep unit. 😎 But since neither of the reviews are in English, there's almost no point to link them. Still, here they are, just to show something is out there,
link 1: https://lab501.ro/carcase-surse/review-segotep-gp600t-500w
link 2: http://www.pcpop.com/article/1670797_all.shtml

I find Google Translate usually helps with this sort of thing. Or if you're using Chrome you can right click and select "translate to (insert language here)".

 

[Aeacus]

I find Google Translate usually helps with this sort of thing.

This is what i prefer to use.

However, there is a difference between reviewers as well. Credible reviewers can be trusted, like: Aris Mpitziopoulos (TH), Jon Gerow and Oklahoma Wolf (Jonnygury), AnandTech, TechPowerUp, HardOCP and i don't know how far Steve Burke (GamersNexus) is with their desire to start making PSU reviews as well.

And then, there are reviewers with questionable credibility. All non-English reviewers fall into this category and there are also PSU previewers, those that do show PSU from the outside but either doesn't test PSU properly (e.g ripple) or doesn't do teardown by showing whats inside the PSU and identifying different components in it.

Rule of thumb is: if you can not find English review by a reputable PSU reviewer, avoid the PSU.

 

[g-unit1111]

This is what i prefer to use.

However, there is a difference between reviewers as well. Credible reviewers can be trusted, like: Aris Mpitziopoulos (TH), Jon Gerow and Oklahoma Wolf (Jonnygury), AnandTech, TechPowerUp, HardOCP and i don't know how far Steve Burke (GamersNexus) is with their desire to start making PSU reviews as well.

And then, there are reviewers with questionable credibility. All non-English reviewers fall into this category and there are also PSU previewers, those that do show PSU from the outside but either doesn't test PSU properly (e.g ripple) or doesn't do teardown by showing whats inside the PSU and identifying different components in it.

Oh for sure I would trust Anandtech or HardOCP before most of the other sites out there.

Rule of thumb is: if you can not find English review by a reputable PSU reviewer, avoid the PSU.

Agreed.

 

[poorbugger]

I wouldn't risk it, especially with a Chinese looking PSU like that - You could get a Corsair PSU for a little more and not have to worry about warranty etc

Something like this I'd chose over that PSU anyday of the week-
Corsair CX Series CX650M 650w 80+ Bronze Modular Power Supply CP-9020103-UK (5Yrs Warranty) | Lazada

Even this would be better also-
Cooler Master MWE 650 Gold PSU, 80 Plus Gold, 90% Efficiency, DC-to-DC + LLC, Dual EPS Connectors, Fully Modular Flat Cables, 120mm HDB Fan | Lazada

I recommended the cx650m to another guy in the forum. The guy who started recommending the segotep psu said that for the price of cx650m, it's better to go for the segotep psu because it's LLC+DC+DC. I have no idea what that means because i'm a noob in psu. I myself is using a cx550m

 

[Aeacus]

I have no idea what that means because i'm a noob in psu.

Here's what that PSU terminology means,
link: https://www.bequiet.com/en/insidebequiet/15
(switch to 2nd image to learn about LLC and 4th image explains DC-DC)

The guy who started recommending the segotep psu said that for the price of cx650m, it's better to go for the segotep psu

Just because Segotep PSU has LLC and is DC-DC platform, doesn't give it the reasons to buy one. Heck, most modern PSUs have LLC and are using DC-DC platform (e.g Seasonic Focus/PRIME, Corsair HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex II/III Gold).

It's like when you're looking to buy a car and someone is suggesting X brand because it has 4 wheels and seat belts. Well, all modern cars have 4 wheels and seat belts, and that doesn't make X brand special.

I myself is using a cx550m

I got to ask, why are you looking towards new PSU when you already have 550W Corsair CXm series in use? Is it giving you issues?

 

[poorbugger]

Here's what that PSU terminology means,
link: https://www.bequiet.com/en/insidebequiet/15
(switch to 2nd image to learn about LLC and 4th image explains DC-DC)



Just because Segotep PSU has LLC and is DC-DC platform, doesn't give it the reasons to buy one. Heck, most modern PSUs have LLC and are using DC-DC platform (e.g Seasonic Focus/PRIME, Corsair HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex II/III Gold).

It's like when you're looking to buy a car and someone is suggesting X brand because it has 4 wheels and seat belts. Well, all modern cars have 4 wheels and seat belts, and that doesn't make X brand special.



I got to ask, why are you looking towards new PSU when you already have 550W Corsair CXm series in use? Is it giving you issues?

Thanks for the psu terminology link. I'm not looking for a new one. Im trying to research the segotep psu because the guy was strongly recommending it over my corsair cx550m since they're both at the same price. My cx550m served me very well so far but im waiting for the ryzen 5 5600x to be in stock. I'm planning to use the psu on a rtx 3070 and ryzen 5 5600x. Previously it was used on a gtx 980 ti with ryzen 5 2600 and i didnt have any issues.

 

[Aeacus]

Well, Corsair CXm series PSUs are mediocre quality units. They don't have any fatal flaws but they doesn't excel in other aspects either, so, it's a decent PSU. For comparison; Seasonic Focus, Corsair HXi and Super Flower Leadex II/III Gold are good quality units while Seasonic PRIME and Corsair AXi are great quality units.

the guy was strongly recommending it over my corsair cx550m since they're both at the same price

Here's one thing no-one can surpass: you can not get high quality with cheap price. If you want good and cheap PSU, you have to buy two PSUs: the good one and the cheap one.

And the fact that Segotep PSU, despite somehow being able to get 80+ Titanium efficiency, has to have some other components cheaped out.
Sure, it may hit the 92% - 94% efficiency rating just out of the box (when it is new) but there is 0 word on it's reliability. And by looking at it, i can tell one obvious aspect where money was saved, and that is fully-wired design with only one +12V power cable for GPU.

Nowadays, it's common that consumer PSUs come with fully-modular design and cheaper consumer PSUs have semi-modular design. Fully-wired design is thing from the past and is only used either crap/low quality consumer PSUs or with industrial PSUs (since with the latter, there is no need for fully-modular design).

Another thing with this Segotep GP600T is, that it is created only for China's domestic market. That's another thing to keep in mind. And while it claims to have 7 years of warranty in the official specs page,
link: https://segotep.my/gp600t/
Making any warranty claims (RMA) could be either very difficult or outright denied when you live outside of China.

Oh, i also see that you've asked the same question in TechPowerUp forums as well, and in there, you've gotten essentially the same response as in here,
link: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...titanium-gp600t-500-watt-power-supply.276724/

For closing thoughts: if it looks too good to be true - it usually is.

 

[poorbugger]

Well, Corsair CXm series PSUs are mediocre quality units. They don't have any fatal flaws but they doesn't excel in other aspects either, so, it's a decent PSU. For comparison; Seasonic Focus, Corsair HXi and Super Flower Leadex II/III Gold are good quality units while Seasonic PRIME and Corsair AXi are great quality units.



Here's one thing no-one can surpass: you can not get high quality with cheap price. If you want good and cheap PSU, you have to buy two PSUs: the good one and the cheap one.

And the fact that Segotep PSU, despite somehow being able to get 80+ Titanium efficiency, has to have some other components cheaped out.
Sure, it may hit the 92% - 94% efficiency rating just out of the box (when it is new) but there is 0 word on it's reliability. And by looking at it, i can tell one obvious aspect where money was saved, and that is fully-wired design with only one +12V power cable for GPU.

Nowadays, it's common that consumer PSUs come with fully-modular design and cheaper consumer PSUs have semi-modular design. Fully-wired design is thing from the past and is only used either crap/low quality consumer PSUs or with industrial PSUs (since with the latter, there is no need for fully-modular design).

Another thing with this Segotep GP600T is, that it is created only for China's domestic market. That's another thing to keep in mind. And while it claims to have 7 years of warranty in the official specs page,
link: https://segotep.my/gp600t/
Making any warranty claims (RMA) could be either very difficult or outright denied when you live outside of China.

Oh, i also see that you've asked the same question in TechPowerUp forums as well, and in there, you've gotten essentially the same response as in here,
link: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...titanium-gp600t-500-watt-power-supply.276724/

For closing thoughts: if it looks too good to be true - it usually is.

Thanks for all the time and help. I was skeptical but he mentioned the llc+dc+dc thingy which sounds fancy so i thought is the psu too good to be true? I guess it is. Is there any need for me to swap out my psu anytime soon? I just bought it last year around June and only used it till october. Until now, it just sits on my shelf.

 

[Aeacus]

he mentioned the llc+dc+dc thingy which sounds fancy

Well, anyone can use acronyms to make any product sound fancy, especially when you have no idea what those acronyms mean and/or how common they are. 😆

Is there any need for me to swap out my psu anytime soon?

Well, that mainly depends what kind of standards you have for PC hardware and also if you have funds for better hardware and if there is anything better available in your location.


About low-end Corsair PSUs,
Older models of Corsair CX and CXm series (with green labels) were so bad units that they ended up as low quality units (on-par with current Corsair VS series). Corsair has since improved their CX and CXm line (with gray labels) and now, they are better but not enough to be considered as good quality PSU. All Seasonic units are either good quality or great quality (depending on the series). Except Seasonic S12III. S12III isn't made by Seasonic, instead, it's made by RSY and it's disgrace to see Seasonic name on that PSU.

I'll take the same PSU you have, Corsair CXm 550, as an example.
While CXm series are cheap, you won't get solid build quality and all Japanese caps as you can get with Seasonic units. Here's one in-depth review of CX550m,
link: https://www.hardwareinsights.com/corsair-cx550m-farewell-group-design/

Corsair CX550m does provide some good results but it also provides some bad results. Like hold-up time that is way lower than the ATX standard specifies it to be. CX550m has hold-up time of 11.20 milliseconds while the ATX standard for hold up time is a minimum of 16 milliseconds. For comparison, Seasonic PRIME 650 80+ Titanium (best 650W PSU money can buy at current date) has hold-up time of 30 milliseconds.

And it's just not the hold-up time, there are other, more apparent things that doesn't make it good quality unit. One of them is the very noisy sleeve bearing fan used in it. At minimum, you're looking 39 dB(A) from the fan, which can rise up to 43.1 dB(A). It's like having 140mm Noctua industrial 3000 RPM fan in your PC running at max speeds.

Since CX550m has nice list of good things and also bad things, it's a mediocre quality unit. If there were more bad than good (including price) it would be a bad unit and vice-versa.
So, you should be okay with it for few years.


I, personally, wouldn't use it. While it can be used just fine for an office PC that never sees any high loads and also where the PSU noise isn't that important. But for home use in a gaming PC, where PC longevity and noise are important factors, i'd use and also suggest using better quality and more silent PSU.

Different persons have different standards (some have higher standards while others have lower standards) and it's up to every person to decide how good of a build quality components are safe to use in their PC. But keep in mind that PSU is the most important component inside the PC since it powers everything.

Since i care a lot about all my PCs, i won't put a mediocre quality unit into my PC that fails to meet ATX PSU standards set in place for all OEMs to follow, so that the PSUs are safe to use and doesn't damage other components. In fact, i've gone above and beyond regarding PSUs in my PCs.
Some may call me nuts that i payed €206.80 for a PSU that sits in my Skylake build (Seasonic SSR-650TD) and my latest PSU purchase for Haswell build costed €205.50 (Seasonic SSR-650TR), while i would've been safe with a PSU that costs €80.50 (Seasonic GX-550). While that can be true and i could've saved a lot of money, i feel safe and comfortable that my two main PCs are powered by the best offered by Seasonic.

Oh, for price idea, €205.50 = 1000 Romanian Leu.

I won't suggest expensive PSUs in builds when the budget is way restricted. But i still suggest getting a PSU that at least meets all the ATX PSU standards, even if it's fully wired (like Seasonic SS-520GB or Seasonic GC-550).
Since i don't think you have as high standards for PSUs as i do, i suggested you a good quality PSU (Super Flower Leadex III Gold) which doesn't cost a fortune. But if you do have as high PSU standards as i do and funds to buy one, look towards Corsair HX750i PSU in your store. Corsair AXi is even better but minimum you can get is 860W and that would be overkill wattage wise. Unless you're looking towards dual-GPU setup.

 

[Colif]

Segotep owned by Colorful, the biggest GPU maker in China. Thats not to say they good, just that they aren't a small company

 

[Aeacus]

Thats not to say they good, just that they aren't a small company

Company size doesn't matter in PSU world.

For example, CWT is probably biggest PSU OEM in the world, yet, they have made a ton of low quality PSUs (e.g Corsair VS series). Of course, CWT does make good PSUs as well (e.g Corsair HXi series). So, being big doesn't mean company is good.

On the other side of the scale, being small doesn't mean company is bad either. Here, good example is Riotoro. A fairly new company in PSU world and they offer only 3 PSU series: Enigma, Onyx and Builder Edition; with 3 PSU choices in Engima series and 2 PSU choices in other two series. That's 7 different PSUs in total. However, Riotoro PSUs have reviewed well, even their cheapest Builder Edition.
E.g review link for the Builder Edition 500W: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/09/17/riotoro-builder-500w-power-supply/

What matters, is the company values and if the company is willing to produce/sell sub-par PSUs or not.

And being subsidiary to popular brand doesn't excuse either. Here, good example is MSI and their MSI Turbostream 600W PSU from years back. That PSU was one of the worst ever seen, bearing popular brand name. And besides appealing performance, it came with 16 months of warranty. And not from purchase date, but instead from manufacture date. So, if the PSU was sitting on store shelf for a 1 year, once you got it, you only had 4 months of warranty left.
MSI learned it's lesson and pulled out from the PSU market for quite a while. Though, last year, MSI brought new PSU lineup to the masses, MPG series. And we need to see how well MSI fares this time around.

 

[Colif]

i was just saying who they are.

 

[Aeacus]

i was just saying who they are.

I know who they are (though others in this topic might not). And i was just saying size (or parent company) doesn't matter. 😉
In the end: reputable reviews matter.