Is this case sufficent for my build?

Trojan_Pinata

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To begin: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yhMCXH

So, this build is primarily for gaming, and this is not the place to talk about the rest of my build, I know. However, will the Cooler Master - MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case work with my case fans - and do I even need case fans? Will my motherboard and gpu fit? Are there any problems I should know about? Thanks in advance.
 
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Its a serviceable case but, to my eyes, not the best choice in that price range. CM Site says:

Front = 140mm x2 (pre-Installed) 120/140mm x1 (optional)
Rear = 140mm x1 (pre-Installed)
Top = 120/140mm x2 (optional)

The GPU puts out 193 watts when gaming, add 17% if using MSI Afterburner, say 226 watts. The CPU, overclocked figure 125 and 30 watts for the MoBo and 40 for everything else, say 420 watts. With 140mm, 1200rpm fans you are good for 75 - 100 watts per fan or about 4 - 6 fans. You can do 6. Intake fans will have their air flow reduced by the inlet air filers which can be as high as 30-33% if they significantly dirty. So you want at least about 50% more intakes then exhausts

As delivers, with (3) fans, you're...
According to http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/mastercase-pro-5/ that case comes with two front 140mm fans pre-installed and one rear 140mm fan, so you probably don't need more. Technically, you can still install the fans you listed, since it has room for an additional 120mm/140mm front fan and two 120mm/140mm top fans. However, I'm puzzled that you'd get 120mm fans when the case supports 140mm fans in pretty much every place it has for mounting fans.
 
Its a serviceable case but, to my eyes, not the best choice in that price range. CM Site says:

Front = 140mm x2 (pre-Installed) 120/140mm x1 (optional)
Rear = 140mm x1 (pre-Installed)
Top = 120/140mm x2 (optional)

The GPU puts out 193 watts when gaming, add 17% if using MSI Afterburner, say 226 watts. The CPU, overclocked figure 125 and 30 watts for the MoBo and 40 for everything else, say 420 watts. With 140mm, 1200rpm fans you are good for 75 - 100 watts per fan or about 4 - 6 fans. You can do 6. Intake fans will have their air flow reduced by the inlet air filers which can be as high as 30-33% if they significantly dirty. So you want at least about 50% more intakes then exhausts

As delivers, with (3) fans, you're fine ...tho if overclocking (adds about 75 watts) I'd want more

(2) Intakes w/ 33% restriction gives you a "fan equivalent" of 1.33 fans
(1) Exhaust w/ 0% restriction gives you a "fan equivalent" of 1.00 fans

So even under worse case "I haven't cleaned my air filters in months" situation, you have positive case pressure.

Now I see ya have (3) added fans in ya parts list ... what's the plan ?

(3) Intakes in front w/ 33% restriction gives you a "fan equivalent" of 2.00fans
(3) Exhaust on rear and top w/ 0% restriction gives you a "fan equivalent" of 3.00 fans

With more air going out than in, where is that make up air going to come from ? What are the biggest openings with least air resistance ? Looking at the pics, the case has a H U G E open rear grille and your only concern might be "well i guess i will have to clean some dust out cause I have negative case pressure. That is the least of your concerns. Look at the picture again.

Your 750 watts PSU is exhausting all its hot exhaust out the rear of the case. Your 226 watt GFX card is exhausting a significant portion of it's air out of the rear of the case. By creating a negative pressure situation in the case, and with the "path of least resistance" being the rear case grilles, the source of the make up air into the case will be that rear case grille.

So if ya going to add a fan, make it a front intake fan. The 4 fans come sup just 20 watts short of meeting the rule of thumb described above. if you want more, by all means ass the two fans on top. But, you will have to forget 8th grade earth science and learn a little bit about college level thermodynamics. Hot air does not rise in the face of a ceiling fan in the room and if you want to stop the hot exhaust from PSU and GFX card from being sucked into the case, you will need positive case pressure and that will require putting those fans in blowing down.

As for which fans to pick, Phantels has the best fans on the market at present... replacing the fans on a Noctua cooler drops CPU temps by 6C at the same rpm

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenteks_f140/3.htm

Also come on top here:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html

Ya might want to consider a Phanteks case which have been very stronly reviewed.

the Phanteks P400S is designed for quiet operation and this one has a gorgeous Temperd Glass side panel for $10 less. Cooling wise, much the same w/ main difference is that the rear fan is 120mm mount and only 2 fans included

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854053

The Enthoo Pro is also $69 - 89 and its fan capabilities are but it comes with a 200mm in front:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854018
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854003

Front: 2 x 140mm fan
Top: 3 x 140mm fan
Rear: 1 x 140mm fan
Bottom: 1 x 140mm fan

Tweaktown rates the Pro 98, 99, 100, 98, 99 compared with the CM MCP5's 95.98, 98, 96, 99

If ya can swing the extra $30 ... the Enthoo Luxe is my favorite here... with fan storage on top being able to be stored "in the attic". Overall cooling is phenomenal and you can actually fit (2) 140mm on the bottom

Front: 2 x 120mm / 140mm fan (1 x 200mm included)
Top: 3 x 120mm / 140mm fan (1 x 140mm fan included)
Rear: 1 x 120mm / 140mm fan (1 x 140mm fan included)
Bottom: 2 x 120mm / 1 x 140mm fan
HDD: 2 x 120mm fan

The case is also capable of fitting HUGE CPU Coolers, tho the MC5 is no slouch here either.





 
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As to the rest of the build:

1. The MoBo uses a substandard audio solution (Realtek ALC892). Asus started this trend w/ Z170 whereby almost every board under $150 has ALC 887 or ALC 892 ... everyone else seems to have picked up on the trend for fear of losing the price wars. The board below "sets the standard" (Anandtech) at $130 price point and gives you Realtek ALC1220

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130978

2. I'd improve the cooler by moving up to a H5 or any of the Scythe $50 models. here we see the Scythe Mugen max besting the $90 Cryorig R1 Ultimate

Cooler-Performance-Chart-Stock-Fans-Tim-1.175voltage.png


Tho if ya get the White Enthoo Luxe, a matching white cooler would be "da bomb"... looks gorgeous

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709001

3. The 250 GB SSD is fast but it only has room for 232 GB of files ... account for the recommended 15% free space and that gives you just 198 GB of space for stuff. Windows will eat up 80 or so within 2 months and with utilities and programs, you will ahve room for how many games ? GTAV wants 95GB.

So most of ya games will be on that HD... Look here and decide what appeals more for game storage?
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html

Seagate 2 TB SSHD @ 9.76 MB'sec
Seagate 3 TB Barracuda @ 6.43 MB/sec

That's a 52% speed advantage

3. 16 GB of DDR4-3200 CAS 16 would be about the same price (+$1) as DDR4-3000 CAS 15 ... 6 of one, half dozen of the other kinda thing

16 x 1000 / 3200 = 5 ns
15 x 1000 / 3000 = 5 ns
 

Trojan_Pinata

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Thanks for all your answers they helped a lot, but there is one problem I can't get over. Personally, I don't like the looks of the Phanteks cases. I used to, but this master case has a look I like. I don't know anymore - I posted something similar to OP and got destroyed on other sites saying my build was junk and what so.

I looked further into the motherboard, and ya, I should upgrade a bit for the audio. I saw this trend earlier but never looked into it fully.

I did change the memory to the Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory. Don't even try to go to the G.Skill Ripjaws V cause I despise them for everything.

The SSHD and HDD. Most people recommend not using the hybrid, and at this point I'm just gonna say screw it and get the FireCuda. Why have 3 1/4 Tb when you could have 5.

Further, the cooler - I like the H5 better than the H7 - always have. That was my lousy attempt to save some money.

The case fans. Ok JackNaylorPE, you did teach me something, I'll give you that. I was planning on putting those fans on the top to create positive case pressure and forcing the hot air out the back fan. I'm not entirely sure how many watts I'll be using but I'm gonna guess around 385. (Thanks PCpartpicker). I get those concepts and I don't plan on leaving the vents unclean for months at a time. I may add another front fan if I can fit one, I'll see what the community says later against my choices.

Finally: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VfGjVY

Any other recommendations or answers would be great. Thanks again.