Is this Graphics Card the PRO version?

Guyon

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I got a graphics card form my local dealer. It came in a bag with no book, disk, or anything. My question is how can I tell that it is the Radeon 9600 PRO, and not just a plane Radeon 9600. He swears it's the pro version.

On the cars label it reads:
Radeon 9600 256M DDR V/D/DVD
PN 1024-8C20-0D-SA
PCB# 35-FC20-G0-40

Does anyone have a Radeon PRO? Can you check your card label, does it say PRO?
I hope I am not getting ripped off. I would appreciate any help you can give. THANK YOU!
 

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a dealer selling without a box?
how much did you pay for it?
only way i know of to tell is to plug it in and see what XP thinks it is.

<A HREF="http://aao.sudden-death.org/3dMarkScore.gif" target="_new">System Specs</A>

Ill have a Sapphire 9600pro for sale as soon as i get it back. Had to RMA and theyre sending me a new one!
 

Guyon

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OK, I new see that tis board is "Powered by ATI" and hot "Built by ATI"
So where does that leave me? How can I know is this board is any good or a cheap slow copy?
 

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If I install this card how can I tell what speed it really is since I am guessing it is a clone ATI?
 
XP won't tell you the difference between pro and non pro, they use the same chip.

You will need to download a program that tells you the clock speeds. You can download an overclocking utility (there's one built into <A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak" target="_new">Rage3Dtweak</A>) or you can download a program that checks that kind of info like <A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new">3Dmark2003</A>, be sure '03 not '01.


The clocks should match one of the following.

TRUE PRO;

400mhz core/VPU/GPU
300mhz(effective 600mhz) memory.

Actually 398.25/297(594)

Anything less in either is a non-pro of some kind.

And Built By ATI vs OEM-partner makes little difference except the kind of parts on it (and that only matters for overclocking). One other thing you can check is what kind of memory is on it (like the numbers printed on the actual chips). That would help determine it too.

EDIT:Oh yeah, running 3Dmk03 will also help you. a TRUE R9600pro should get a score close to 3000(+/-) with vsync disabled.

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Yep like i remembered. Don't remember seeing any 9600Pro's with 256MB memory, except the XT that is.

His card is clocked at 325Mhz//200Mhz
A pro is clocked at 400Mhz/300Mhz

So yes your card is the cheapo slow version and not a Pro

Wooba Wooba
 

Guyon

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Ok I finialy figured out what this card is:
SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600 ATLANTIS
VGA Memory Clock 189.0 MHz
VGA Core Clock 324.0 MHz

That is with my:
AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1.1 GHz
Motherboard MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
AGP
Revision 2.0
Rate 1x, 2x, 4x (4x enabled)


Will my new board and processor gieb me a better time? I head you need a 400mhz core to have a Pro chip.

So I got a dog?
 
Yeah if he told you it was a pro take it back. Sapphire does not do the BS naming schemes of PowerColor and Gigacube/GeXcube, so he has no excuse. It's not a pro, and you should tell him to give you what you paid for. Nothing you do to your system will increase it's poor performance unfortunately. It's using cheaper/slower TSOP memory and you'll never be able to get that to reach PRO speeds, even with serious liquid cooling (it would take liquid nitrogen IMO, and even then probably not).

Definitely take it back if he said it's a pro, because it definitely is not, and beleive me you will notice a difference, and a true pro will give you a significant boost.

Rage3D has a good comparison of the two Sapphires (pro [fireblade version] vs a non-pro), but unfortunately they seem to be down right now (they've had alot of server problems over the last few months), and I forgot to bookmark that link.

<b>EDIT:</b> Actually I found <A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/r9600-2.html" target="_new">this Digit-life review from a while back</A> that does show the difference pretty well. Their Sapphire non-pro is 256mb, but the ATI R9600 should give you a great idea of where your card falls in the performance gap. They have a bunch of R9600Pros that they put it against. The Sapphire Ultimate Edition using passive cooling so it won't be like a regular Sapphire R9600Pro,but it should match the regular (non firblade) Sapphires. In this case most of the stock results should be the same for almost all cards. Gigabyte goes have some personal drivers tweaks, but they won't make that much difference here.


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OK I got a new card!!!!!! It is a PowerColor Radeon 9600pro 256 MB

It runs at:
VGA Core Clock 398.3 MHz
VGA Memory Clock 202.5 MHz

So this is finaially the pro?

Thank you all for the super help!
 
Sorry to tell you, but; No actually that is still a non-pro.

Stoopid POWERCOLOR Ba$tardz! Their F'in naming scheme really ticks me off. I've taked about it here a few times (even recently with GW in <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=379738#379738" target="_new">this thread</A>)

A TRUE Pro has 398.25/297(594), just check my Catalyst comparison sticky thread at the top of the thread list. I list the core and memory speeds which are all run @ stock.

<A HREF="http://" target="_new">Here's my Aquamark Benchmark at stock</A> (there are more in the CAT thread). Check the memory/core speeds 398/297.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


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agreed if you got that card from the same dealer you should return it and get your moiney back and then slap the sh|t outta him, he/she/it/they are tryin there best to rip you off my friend

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I feel sorry for this poor guy.....

<b>9800 3DMark03 Score =</b> <b><font color=red>5,342</b></font color=red>
<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1666744" target="_new">http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1666744</A>
 

Crashman

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OMG! D00D, why do you keep paying for 256MB? The 128MB 9600 Pro cost $150, and runs at 400/300, not 400/200. Now here's the thing I KNOW you're not going to listen to: 256MB offers NO performance advantage over 128MB. Additionally companies such as Powercolor will use it as an excuse to use slower memory.

What I'm saying is that a true 9600 Pro 128MB card will run circles around the 400/200 card you just bought. And I know you're not listening when I tell you 256MB is just costing you money and performance.

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Guyon

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I can get a REAL ATI 9600XT for $200. at Best Buy
Is that better then the 9600pro? Should I get thr XT?

Thank you all for the help and understaneding graphics cards.
 

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That's the standard price for the 9600XT - it's a good card. However, if you shop around you might be able to get a 9800 non-pro for that price, which is even better.
 

Crashman

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Congratulations, I hope it works well for you!

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Yay!!!

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