[SOLVED] is this samsung b-die? F4 3466C16D 8GTZR

[stacielovesmalphite]

it is not on bdie finder but

https://imgur.com/sZMJZpW

View: http://i.imgur.com/sZMJZpW.png

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Are you looking for AMD if so look for the X

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-32gtzrx

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[stacielovesmalphite]

thank you, botting friend not gonna click the virus

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Not a BOT I'm a Moderator.
Look below my Avatar.

 

[stacielovesmalphite]

alright, mod. can u say anything relevant to my question?
i do not own a threadripper ryzen, which i already said.
do you have any idea if my mentioned ram is a b-die?
thank you for your time either way

 

[Darkbreeze]

It's highly unlikely you're going to get a kit of two or more modules to run at 3466mhz anyhow if you are running a Ryzen CPU. I'd look at 3000-3200mhz kits of two modules that have a CL14 (CAS 14) latency. ALL of those sticks that I've seen at those speeds that are CL14 ARE B-die modules or kits.

And Dark lord of tech DID post information relevant to your question.

What model of CPU and motherboard do you HAVE?

 

[Darkbreeze]

i do not own a threadripper ryzen, which i already said.

No, you did NOT say that. You said nothing about your existing hardware.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

It's not just for Threadripper , it states that in the link:

"now expanded to include the latest AMD platforms"

 

[stacielovesmalphite]

It's highly unlikely you're going to get a kit of two or more modules to run at 3466mhz anyhow if you are running a Ryzen CPU. I'd look at 3000-3200mhz kits of two modules that have a CL14 (CAS 14) latency. ALL of those sticks that I've seen at those speeds that are CL14 ARE B-die modules or kits.

And TDLOT did post information relevant to your question.

alright, missed that. Sorry.
i didnt mean to insult anyone, i tryly thought he was a bot

 

[Darkbreeze]

No worries. What is your actual CPU model and what motherboard do you have?

 

[drivinfast247]

It says its "B-die". Second column, forth row.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes it does. But again, I'd be VERY surprised, if it's ANY kind of Zen platform, whether Ryzen or Threadripper, if you could get those sticks to run at that speed without a GREAT deal of trial and error, if at all. It's possible, but unlikely. Chances are much better if it's an unlocked Intel platform AND you are overclocking the CPU to bolster the internal memory controller.

 

[stacielovesmalphite]

i am right now running a F4-3600C15D-16GTZ on a ryzen 1700, on a shitty mobo, at 3200mhz@14-14-14-34. it took me less than a min to set it so.
have ordered my b450 mobo that goes up to 3466

 

[stacielovesmalphite]

It says its "B-die". Second column, forth row.

i know it says so, the question was how is it not on bdie finder

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, apparently they don't have them all listed there. Perhaps that kit is newer than their listings OR they've just failed to list it. I'd contact the owner of that site about it. It's not like it was made by a human who makes mistakes or leaves things out, and is not all knowing, or anything. LOL.

 

[Karadjgne]

Cas 14 is Bdie. Cas 15 can be either Bdie or Ddie depending on what's available. Cas 16 is Ddie.

Not all make the listing, since some of the sticks can use multiple different vendors and dies. Watched a video the other day on how to safely remove a heatsink. Dude used 2 identical Patriot kits, fresh off the same rack. One had 4x Samsung ic's, the other had 8 SkHynix ic's.

So my guess would be that unless it's a vendor specific request that certain models/speeds/sizes etc use specifically Bdie, then you can't add a stick to the registry if it also uses others.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Umm, yeah, that's totally not true. It COMPLETELY depends on the speed of the module as to whether CAS 14 denotes a B-die module or not. If the sticks are 3000mhz or 3200mhz and they are CL14, then every stick I've seen IS B-die, period. If they are a lower speed stick, they can easily be CL14 (CAS 14) without being a B-die module. Plenty of different IC equipped 2133 and 2400mhz sticks are CL14 and are not Samsung ICs, B-die or otherwise.

As well, there are plenty of sticks that are HIGHER than 3200mhz, but do NOT have a CAS 14 latency, and ARE B-die. In fact, I don't know of any sticks that are higher than 3200mhz regardless of whether it's a single stick or a kit, in any capacity, that have a CAS 14 latency. After 3200mhz, B-die equipped sticks are typically CAS 15 or higher depending on the speed of the kit or module. You can't say that any given CAS latency denotes a specific IC, because it doesn't. At all. It can be anything. B die, E die, S die, M die.

As seen here, there are NO modules with higher than 3200mhz speeds that are CAS 14. They are all CAS 15 or higher.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

it is not on bdie finder but

https://imgur.com/sZMJZpW

View: http://i.imgur.com/sZMJZpW.png

Yes. Absolutely single rank B-die. Typhoon Burner can be trusted.

 

[Karadjgne]

Umm DB, they were talking about 3200 Samsungs, not 2133 or any other speed, and in 3200 the Cas 14's are B-die, 15's can be either B or D, and 16's are D. In 3200. Didn't think I'd have to explain THAT difference.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Umm DB, they were talking about 3200 Samsungs, not 2133 or any other speed, and in 3200 the Cas 14's are B-die, 15's can be either B or D, and 16's are D. In 3200. Didn't think I'd have to explain THAT difference.

3200/16 B-die:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vntWGX/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gtza

Generalizations are fine as long as you quantify them with 'most of the time'.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Exactly. "Most of the time" or "usually" or "often" or something along those lines, is a LOT different than "Cas 14 is Bdie. Cas 15 can be either Bdie or Ddie depending on what's available. Cas 16 is Ddie." That is a statement that says "across the board, this is definitively what IS".

I just wanted to clarify that is all, because the way I read it is the way a lot of other people would be likely to read it as well, regardless of what you meant by it. Generalizations, as Anort3 has indicated, are where we run into trouble. Saying "CAS 14 is Bdie" with nothing to quantify the parameters for that statement, leads most who read it to believe that if the memory has CAS 14 then it IS B-die, regardless of speed or other considerations. That is all.