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My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and downloaded
the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only downloaded it to
so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission packs).


Anthony
 
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anthony wrote:
> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and downloaded
> the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only downloaded it to
> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission packs).
>
>
> Anthony
>
>

Anthony
I can't say if it's right or wrong to do that
but I think you should get a pat on the back
just for asking about it. A lot of people would
think nothing about doing such a thing but you
want to do what's right. GOOD FOR YOU!
 
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In article <cPdId.166$PB.19@okepread01>, aevansjr3@cox.net says...
> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and downloaded
> the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only downloaded it to
> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission packs).
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
>


you purchased a copy. doesn't matter, as long as you retain the original
disks, how you obtain a copy to do what it's intended to do. you still
own a copy. a cracked disk isn't a reason to purchase another copy.

i copy ALL of my cd's and make backups. i put the originals (whenever
the software allows me to) in a safe. i NEVER use an original music cd
in my car. i burn a copy of it. i purchased it, i am allowed by law to
make a backup copy for my own use.




/CF
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.battlefield1942 (More info?)

Hmmm.
Morally you are wrong on this. BF1942 the original don't cost that much
these days so if I was you I would buy a real BF instead of the not so real
you downloaded.
Another go could be to contact EA and see if they would give you a new one
that works with your old CDkey.
Piracy is not good, it is wrong and I don't think you would have any chance
to connect to a server.
Regards
[AGB]Fireonhigh
"anthony" <aevansjr3@cox.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:cPdId.166$PB.19@okepread01...
> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and downloaded
> the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only downloaded it
> to
> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission
> packs).
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.battlefield1942 (More info?)

>>>>> "Fireonhigh" == Fireonhigh <fireonhigh1@yahoo.dk> writes:

Fireonhigh> Morally you are wrong on this. BF1942 the original don't

IMO, he isn't. Legally he may be wrong, but not morally; he paid for
the game already and is using the CD key that he paid for. It's the
CD key that the game checks against the server; the CD key doesn't
reside on the disk.

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Fireonhigh> cost that much these days so if I was you I would buy a
Fireonhigh> real BF instead of the not so real you downloaded.
Fireonhigh> Another go could be to contact EA and see if they would
Fireonhigh> give you a new one that works with your old CDkey. Piracy
Fireonhigh> is not good, it is wrong and I don't think you would have
Fireonhigh> any chance to connect to a server. Regards
Fireonhigh> [AGB]Fireonhigh "anthony" <aevansjr3@cox.net> skrev i en
Fireonhigh> meddelelse news:cPdId.166$PB.19@okepread01...
>> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and
Fireonhigh> downloaded
>> the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only
Fireonhigh> downloaded it
>> to
>> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission
>> packs).
>> Anthony

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Michael Bain
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.battlefield1942 (More info?)

Legally though from going by the backup software on the back of the books it
says a backup is authorized and I can consider this my back up. I am using
my CD key I've had since the day I bought it and such I just dont know if
its morally rihgt or wrong. I'd just go out and buy another but I still can
use my old CDkey so no point its not stolen its been mine since the day I
bought it.


Anthony
 
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"Fireonhigh" <fireonhigh1@yahoo.dk> waxed eloquent in
news:41f1736a$0$238$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk:

> Hmmm.
> Morally you are wrong on this. BF1942 the original don't cost that
> much these days so if I was you I would buy a real BF instead of the
> not so real you downloaded.
> Another go could be to contact EA and see if they would give you a new
> one that works with your old CDkey.
> Piracy is not good, it is wrong and I don't think you would have any
> chance to connect to a server.
> Regards
> [AGB]Fireonhigh
> "anthony" <aevansjr3@cox.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:cPdId.166$PB.19@okepread01...
>> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and
>> downloaded the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only
>> downloaded it to
>> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission
>> packs).
>>
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>
>

I would say he is actually OK.

Having had to recently try to wrap my head around Microsofts' arcane
licensing rules, I think even if for some weird reason EA tried to take
him to court for dl'ing the CD in the first place, he'd still be OK.

Using some of the MS stuff as an example:
If you purchase a copy of Windows 2003 Server, MS grants you the *right*
to install Windows 2000 Server, or NT4 Server instead. Where you get the
media or CD-key (if needed) is up to you. You would still be using the
*license* for the 2003. They call this your "downgrade" rights.

If you purchase Windows XP Pro, you can "downgrade" to Windows 2000 Pro,
or NT4 Workstation. Again, media and cd-key is your problem.

Using my job as an example, we had a server come in for a client, that
could only be purchased with Server 2003 pre-installed, or no OS. The
software that the client was purchasing from us, at the time, would not
work with 2003 (IIS6 actaully is the problem) After some speaking with
Dell, and checking the MS site on the whole "downgrade" license thing, we
recieved a copy of Server 2000 that does not require a key. If the
software police ever break down this clients door, and demand to see
their Server 2000 license, they just need to show the software police the
2003 license, and a bill for the door.


However, as others have said, a better option in Anthonys' case would be
to contact EA about replacement media, and when he recieves the new disk,
to stop using the "backup."
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In article <Xns95E5DD0E4277Djash7165wideopenwest@216.196.97.142>,
m0ng0lh0rde@netscape.net says...

>
> However, as others have said, a better option in Anthonys' case would be
> to contact EA about replacement media, and when he recieves the new disk,
> to stop using the "backup."
>


actually, the best idea is to use alcohol and burn a cd image directly
to the harddrive and NOT use any cd, this will allow for faster start up
times.

barring that, use the backup cd, it's perfectly acceptable to do so AND
you save wear on the original cd.... ever heard of cd's exploding in a
cdrom drive? i have, several times. don't take the risk. backup your
software, create new cds and save time/money in trying to replace
valuable pieces of software by using the backups instead of the
originals.



/CF
 
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Colonel_Flagg wrote
>actually, the best idea is to use alcohol and burn a cd image directly
>to the harddrive and NOT use any cd, this will allow for faster start up
>times.

Agreed, this is what I do, BF CDs are stashed safely away along with all
my other game CDs.

As to the original question, well who cares whether it breaks any T&Cs
imposed by the publisher? The way I see it he has paid for the right to
play the game so morally he is in the right. If my CDs get damaged
there is no way I'm going to go out and buy the game again! No chance,
manufacturing poor quality CDs - and that certainly sounds like it is
the case given the number of people reporting cracks and so on - is
their problem not mine.

Some of these software distributors take the piss really, on one hand
claiming that you're paying for the licence *not* the physical disks,
but playing silly buggers when you try to replace damaged media. What
is it to be? They can't have it both ways.

Though to be fair, don't EA currently have a replacement policy?

Cheers

--
[AGB]Villy Vonka
Sheffield, UK
http://www.villyvonka.co.uk
 
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In article <VTxYqJVMFl8BFws+@srobertson.net>, Villy@[127.0.0.1] says...
> Colonel_Flagg wrote
> >actually, the best idea is to use alcohol and burn a cd image directly
> >to the harddrive and NOT use any cd, this will allow for faster start up
> >times.
>
> Agreed, this is what I do, BF CDs are stashed safely away along with all
> my other game CDs.
>
> As to the original question, well who cares whether it breaks any T&Cs
> imposed by the publisher? The way I see it he has paid for the right to
> play the game so morally he is in the right. If my CDs get damaged
> there is no way I'm going to go out and buy the game again! No chance,
> manufacturing poor quality CDs - and that certainly sounds like it is
> the case given the number of people reporting cracks and so on - is
> their problem not mine.
>
> Some of these software distributors take the piss really, on one hand
> claiming that you're paying for the licence *not* the physical disks,
> but playing silly buggers when you try to replace damaged media. What
> is it to be? They can't have it both ways.
>
> Though to be fair, don't EA currently have a replacement policy?
>
> Cheers
>
>


The fact is, no EULA can supercede the law. *IF* the law in your area
allows you to make a back-up copy of software and if you are the only
one using the software (or music for that matter), there's nothing in
the EULA that will stand up in court.

U.S. Federal Law, as far as I know, doesn't cover this issue, it only
covers "pirating for personal gain". You're not gaining anything
personally as you've already purchased the software, you have a license
and in most cases, you have a copy (if not scratched/broken) of the
original CD. There's not a court in this country that would take the
time or spend the effort prosecuting someone for doing this.



/CF
 
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:26:05 +0100, Fireonhigh wrote:

> Hmmm.
> Morally you are wrong on this. BF1942 the original don't cost that much
> these days so if I was you I would buy a real BF instead of the not so real
> you downloaded.
> Another go could be to contact EA and see if they would give you a new one
> that works with your old CDkey.
> Piracy is not good, it is wrong and I don't think you would have any chance
> to connect to a server.
> Regards
> [AGB]Fireonhigh

How is it piracy if he bought the game?

Secondly, why wouldn't he be able to connect? He does after all have a
legit cd-key.

--
scrum
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.battlefield1942 (More info?)

anthony wrote:
> My CD 1 of bf 1942 has a huge crack in it so I went online and downloaded
> the CD again is that wrong? I am using my old CDkey I only downloaded it to
> so I could be able to install it again (since i bought both mission packs).
>
>
> Anthony
>
>

Not in the least bit. You have a right under the terms of the license
to your media in order to retain the license. This is normally thought
to be by requesting a replacement through EA or whatever, but under
terms of fair use, you may also make a personal backup. I consider
downloading and ISO of what you already own neither immoral nor illegal.

However due to copyright law, the individual distributing the CD image
is held liable for distributing copyrighted material. This is the key
point where laws like the DMCA and a consumer's fair use rights collide
heavily.

In the future it would be best for you to make 1:1 backups of your own
CD's and either mount them as a virtual CD or keep a good backup. I've
done so with several games of my own, of which a couple did break (an
old Creative 52X drive _BLEW_APART_ my Broodwar CD!).

After making your own personal backup, you have not given up your right
under the license terms to still request a replacement (normally you'll
have to send the whole thing back to them at your own expense).
 
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