[SOLVED] Issue regarding choppy / sluggish feel in games

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𝐂𝐏𝐔 : 𝐑𝐲𝐳𝐞𝐧 𝟕 𝟐𝟕𝟎𝟎𝐱 (𝐦𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐫𝐲𝐳𝐞𝐧 𝟑 𝟐𝟐𝟎𝟎𝐠)

𝐑𝐀𝐌 : 𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐫 𝐕𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐃𝐃𝐑𝟒 𝟐𝟒𝟎𝟎𝐌𝐡𝐳

𝐆𝐏𝐔 (𝐆𝐓𝐗 𝟏𝟎𝟔𝟎 𝟔𝐆𝐁, 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞)

𝐏𝐒𝐔 (𝐓𝐗𝟓𝟓𝟎𝐌 𝐆𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐗𝐓 𝟕𝟓𝟎𝐰)

𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝 (𝐀𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐁𝟒𝟓𝟎-𝐏𝐋𝐔𝐒, 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐀𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐛𝟑𝟓𝟎-𝐩𝐥𝐮𝐬)

So i've got a huge problem i need your help with, for 4 months my computer has been in the wreck causing a 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐩𝐲, 𝐬𝐥𝐮𝐠𝐠𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥, via every single game it also occurs via windows, putting a video in fullscreen on my opposite monitor makes it more noticeable, whereas it gets more 𝐬𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐧𝐟𝐥𝐮𝐢𝐝, it mostly appears in games though,

Originally my computer wouldn't boot into my SSD and i tried to repair it but had to reinstall my windows then the issue instantly popped up via games & i noticed it on windows a while later, i tested via using a spare motherboard with 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐜𝐩𝐮 & 𝐫𝐚𝐦, but same 𝗚𝗣𝗨, 𝗣𝗦𝗨, 𝗛𝗗𝗗/𝗦𝗦𝗗, 𝗰𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲𝘀, issue occured the same, then i tried looking at settings, limiting fps, trying out vsync but no matter what i did it stayed the same on every single setting.

A week later my PSU failed, i replaced it a couple weeks later and the issue occured still, i started thinking that my power supply damaged parts of my computer, couple weeks later i got a new motherboard and same issue occured, so it lead me to believe it was the GPU and/or CPU, so a week ago i replaced the parts and same issue occurs, just lesser extent and less choppy, but still there.

Here is a list of what i've tried,

𝟏 : 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝.

𝟐 : 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐚𝐦 𝐨𝐧 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝.

𝟑 - 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐂𝐏𝐔 𝐨𝐧 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝.

𝟒 : 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐬𝐝 / 𝐬𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐲 𝐠𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐞 / 𝐬𝐬𝐝

𝟓 : 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝟕 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝟏𝟎, 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐠𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐨 𝐞𝐱𝐭𝐫𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐮𝐩𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬

𝟔 : 𝐑𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝟏𝟎 𝐛𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐝 + 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐭𝐨 𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐧𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐢𝐚 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬

𝟕 : 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫, 𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐜𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐜 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 + 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫

𝟖 : 𝐄𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬, 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐚𝐮𝐥𝐭, 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐢 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞, 𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐃𝐔 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐩𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬

𝟗 : 𝐔𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐑𝐲𝐳𝐞𝐧 𝟑'𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐠𝐚 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐩𝐮, 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐮𝐞 𝐨𝐜𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐬 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐞.

𝟏𝟎 : 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐬 𝐚𝐬𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩 (𝐧𝐨𝐛𝐨𝐝𝐲 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐬)

𝟏𝟏 : 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 (𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐤𝐞𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝, 𝐢 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞)

None of what i did worked else i wouldn't be here, after thorough testing it lead me to the conclusion of the cpu & gpu being the issue, considering they both have the same issue across multiple boards, and gpu has same issue on different mobo with different cpu & ram, so i replaced them and same issue occurs still, leaving only three things, 𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝, 𝐏𝐒𝐔 & 𝐑𝐀𝐌, used my spare board that may have been damaged by my psu (this one's old and has no over / under voltage protection) with a stick of DDR3 ram that hadn't been touched by the psu, same issue occurs, leading me to believe ram is crossed out but i could be wrong.

I've asked around alot trying to see if each individual part could cause this, most people said gpu and/or cpu, my theory is that when my old power supply damaged my motherboard i'm currently using, it damaged the new parts i put it into, therefore same issue, however it's just a theory and not a very good one considering this is what im up against,

𝐂𝐏𝐔, 𝐆𝐏𝐔, 𝐑𝐀𝐌 & 𝐇𝐃𝐃/𝐒𝐒𝐃 went through extensive testing of 4 hours on burnintest, 0 errors occured, + benchmarks like UNIGINE heaven & UNIGINE valley DO NOT have the issue, neither does 𝐟𝐮𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤 / 𝐟𝐮𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤 𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, only via games / windows, also the GPU, CPU & motherboard have no visual damage, no bent pins on cpu, can't really see the inside of the gpu, but it looks fine & motherboard has no leaking capacitors, all of them also have no bad symptoms whatsoever.

Nothing i've tried has worked & i'm left with my computer parts damaging eachother or my 𝐩𝐬𝐮 / 𝐫𝐚𝐦 / 𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝 being broken, i can't figure this out for the life of me and i'm going insane, i've got no idea if it's normal for your game feel to shift between fluid to sluggish / slow but based on my previous experience of years in gaming, it dosen't feel normal, also with my old parts (top of the page) the issue i've described never happened before my ssd failed.

My FPS stays consistent during the transition from fluid to sluggish and slow, temperatures are a solid 60c / 70c on 𝐜𝐩𝐮 & 𝐠𝐩𝐮, cpu dosen't hit 100% most the time and same with gpu, unless under very high settings in which it needs to push itself, same with cpu,

I have tested my PSU's voltages with a multimeter and done the fan spin test, the voltages are within the 5% tolerance range (2-3% for all of them last i checked), also they are currently around the same volts i checked two days ago on HWInfo.

few obvious things people have already asked me but i'll stop y'all from asking if you are going to,

  • No i do not have vsync on
  • No it's not because my ram speed is slow and ryzen depends on higher ram speed, as i said this never happened before my ssd failed and i had the exact same ram speed.
  • Most the people i've shown videos to do not see the issue, but a few do, i'm guessing it's one of those things people don't notice too much, unless you're a gamer like me.
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Here are a few video examples, most are fortnite but it is clearly visible, on my phone and my computer, atleast to me, and no i'm not insane, i cannot see the issue on other people's computers or youtube / streams.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWjcOI0uPzM


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxa-uWKxKM


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOGhpGXkAT8


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzgQsge0Jk


That's all i've done and tested, now please help me, i'm very desperate, thanks.

PS : Sorry for all the reading, but i had to explain everything for y'all to understand.
 
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Great so now i see half areas being slower and less fluid cause its 60hz, can i go backwards in time and not see it?

just fantastic nothing is broken after all i think..

the frametimes however do they look at all normal is something wrong with mine?

Well they look normal for someone running on a 60hz office monitor without synching

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OK I mean the 2200G is great but you shouldn't expect miracles vs a dedicated GPU like a 1060 or RX 580. With it limited to using system ram it will never be as smooth as a dedicated GPU.

Do the frametimes i sent to you look normal cause if not that tells me it's the ram so i can rma it.

I know i've asked before but is it possible for my ryzen 3 to be causing all the choppyness? or even my motherboard, if it's not i can rule it out.
 

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Ryzen 3 is only going to do so much. The fact it uses system ram means you are never gonna get the most ultra smooth experience using the IGP. It may keep the FPS up as high as a low end GPU, but that low end GPU always has the advantage of dedicated VRAM.

Because of that though the fastest RAM you can run on it (3200mhz is the sweet spot) makes a difference in gaming.
 
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Ryzen 3 is only going to do so much. The fact it uses system ram means you are never gonna get the most ultra smooth experience using the IGP. It may keep the FPS up as high as a low end GPU, but that low end GPU always has the advantage of dedicated VRAM.

Because of that though the fastest RAM you can run on it (3200mhz is the sweet spot) makes a difference in gaming.

Hi i've noticed that when it comes to golden connectors on ram & gpu's mine aren't entirely clean, they have a few discolouration marks + my GPU (1060) has a decent ammount of scratches on one of its pins, i'm wondering either way if connectors with damage or discolouration or anything else out of the normal could cause jumps in frametimes, sluggishness to smoothness or any other type of issues

I'm sure you've run into this before do you know what it would cause not having the golden connector pins completely clean and intact?

The reason i'm asking is because i recently got a gtx 550 ti to experiment with, with it there is no sluggishness or lag at all, pop in the 1060 and it feels more smoothed out and sluggish, i'm just wondering if the 1060 is 100% culprit or maybe it's the ram? those seem to be the only causes and i'm trying to nail it down.

these are the comparisons between 1060 & gtx 550 ti on minecraft for (5 minutes)

1060 : https://gyazo.com/130c894cf8292b9ad5a4d9a1c51deeaf
https://gyazo.com/6b1799403c78d726781cc38348c2a5c7

GTX 550 Ti: https://gyazo.com/b37b3bfe733319a8d9e505c66993c22f
https://gyazo.com/bfbb8bb10eb2ad52a6e196a09149190d

and this is a video of what the pins look like on the 1060 :

View: https://youtu.be/ySADT7KvXfU
 
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A little dirt or scratches on the pins is not going to have any effect on anything, ever.

If you use an OLD (because the 550ti) is ancient GPU and it somehow performs better than a brand new one.... Logic tells me..... The brand new one is not right.

Ok scratches are clear, good, just trying to figure out if it is 1060, so far not looking like it, no errors during benchmarks, no artifacts, no visual damage as far as i can see, should i take the heatsink off and have a deeper look?

however using the gtx 550 ti the sluggishness randomly comes back and fourth between both cards, meaning that'd most likely be my ram causing this right?
 

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That looks like leftover from thermal tape. Not all problems are physically evident.

Hi, it's been a while, gpu's been fine, however took a look at it and i've noticed the capacitors / vram chips are leaking, more black goo has come out, is this normal or do i need to worry ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10HF8LxbxmCDtl3YV2yh-zu0l9dkGgP4m/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14EL2opiTeLE5p1F35GfLgPGhQwGjvn0O/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16tZ2B37PsvpRKfJoGVolvlwwHMth-SUm/view?usp=sharing
 

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Hi, it's been a while, gpu's been fine, however took a look at it and i've noticed the capacitors / vram chips are leaking, more black goo has come out, is this normal or do i need to worry ?

Chips can't leak I honestly don't see anything in your photos but the quality of the photos is pretty bad.

If the caps are leaking that is bad they are failing.
 

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I'm still not seeing black goo. The capacitors are those cylindrical cylinders, I really see nothing coming from them.

The discoloration around the chips is likely from where the thermal pads/thermal material contacted the chips and board when the cooler was on. That is normal. I really just don't see any black goo anywhere.

Not only that it is not possible for a chip to leak. Capacitors leak (the silver cylinders) but chips do not.
 

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I'm still not seeing black goo. The capacitors are those cylindrical cylinders, I really see nothing coming from them.

The discoloration around the chips is likely from where the thermal pads/thermal material contacted the chips and board when the cooler was on. That is normal. I really just don't see any black goo anywhere.

Not only that it is not possible for a chip to leak. Capacitors leak (the silver cylinders) but chips do not.


A full look at it from my perspective, there is NO leaking from any capacitors, good to know that the chips are like that due to thermal tape though, i also compared it to my old GPU (1060, when it died a while ago)

The old 1060's capacitors are a little dusty, no leaking however, but the MEMORY chips are LEAKING on the old 1060.

Basically OLD 1060 has alot of blackness around the small chips, and alot of leaking around the MEMORY CHIPS.

Newer 1060 has small ammounts of blackness around the small chips, NO leaking around memory chips and capacitors seem fully intact.

My older 1060 use to crash constantly, do you think the memory chips leaking was why?
 

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Again Memory chips don't leak. There is nothing to leak. If there was anything that looked like leakage it would be because they overheated to the point that they melted. I don't think I've ever seen that happen, but its possible.

That discoloration of the board around the chips is not leakage.
 

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Again Memory chips don't leak. There is nothing to leak. If there was anything that looked like leakage it would be because they overheated to the point that they melted. I don't think I've ever seen that happen, but its possible.

That discoloration of the board around the chips is not leakage.

If it's not leakage, what do you think causes all of this (memory chips are covered with thermal tape + metal fyi) would all this just be heat / dust ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H5HzGw7ymml37mbQKWjPGANj9QzoMxOS/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XLKEpSvx6RVqwfQkU5KXkZ6J-7ypfCgt/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfbw1XqqPS6nMBNWDJPw8bF4nvk3jq8z/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSLI1MkITg0Z2uYBZ7124ag30b1iSGFq/view?usp=sharing

(this is old 1060 btw)
 
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Looks fine to me.

I need some more advice from you... a bit after the gpu looked good, i popped it in to use it, and it started crashing randomly every 10+ minutes on games or furmark tests, naturally i reinstalled the drivers shortly after to test again and it stopped crashing, see a bit ago my gpu would crash every week or less randomly, thought it was a software issue however clearly it's the gpu.

Now naturally i would rma it, however after extensive testing with burnintest / furmark / valley benchmark, it will NOT crash under full load (even with maxed out vram being used)

So not entirely sure what to do, the only other signs of it being bad are the very noticeable sluggishness in games (a ton more than usual)

However that's not much to go on, so say i'd rma it, wouldn't umart (where i got it from) just test it and it might come up inconclusive?

What do you think my best options here are..?
 

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I need some more advice from you... a bit after the gpu looked good, i popped it in to use it, and it started crashing randomly every 10+ minutes on games or furmark tests, naturally i reinstalled the drivers shortly after to test again and it stopped crashing, see a bit ago my gpu would crash every week or less randomly, thought it was a software issue however clearly it's the gpu.

Now naturally i would rma it, however after extensive testing with burnintest / furmark / valley benchmark, it will NOT crash under full load (even with maxed out vram being used)

So not entirely sure what to do, the only other signs of it being bad are the very noticeable sluggishness in games (a ton more than usual)

However that's not much to go on, so say i'd rma it, wouldn't umart (where i got it from) just test it and it might come up inconclusive?

What do you think my best options here are..?

You removed the cooler, have you properly reinstalled it with thermal pads and paste on the VRMs? Being that you took it apart you may have a hard time RMAing something.

Its worth doing, its unlikely they will to test it they will just swap for a new one. Unless they look closely at it and see you took it apart, then they my deny you. Every time I've RMAed hardware this is what happened.